Lyndell Mays, 23, of Raytown, Missouri, was one of two men charged with second-degree murder, unlawful use of a weapon, and other offenses in connection with the shooting that left one woman dead and more than 20 other people injured. Both Mays and Dominic Miller¡ªthe Kansas City man who was also charged over the incident¡ªwere shot during the mayhem and hospitalized, prosecutors said this week.
According to DailyMail.com, Mays¡¯ mother Teneal Burnside created a GoFundMe for her son asking for help with his medical bills ¡°during this tragic time.¡± ¡°He is in ICU fighting for a recovery from several surgeries, from going to the Chiefs¡¯ Super Bowl celebration parade with his older sister,¡± Burnside wrote, according to the outlet.
The parents should be held accountable for their child's actions that day. They should be setting up a gofund me for their own lawyer to keep their ass clear of their sons charges. If you dumbass child didn't destroy his lift because "someone was looking at him" his ass wouldn't be in the hospital or on trial for murder. the fuk is wrong with people in this country?
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Lyndell Mays, 23, of Raytown, Missouri, was one of two men charged with second-degree murder, unlawful use of a weapon, and other offenses in connection with the shooting that left one woman dead and more than 20 other people injured. Both Mays and Dominic Miller¡ªthe Kansas City man who was also charged over the incident¡ªwere shot during the mayhem and hospitalized, prosecutors said this week.
According to DailyMail.com, Mays¡¯ mother Teneal Burnside created a GoFundMe for her son asking for help with his medical bills ¡°during this tragic time.¡± ¡°He is in ICU fighting for a recovery from several surgeries, from going to the Chiefs¡¯ Super Bowl celebration parade with his older sister,¡± Burnside wrote, according to the outlet.
The parents should be held accountable for their child's actions that day. They should be setting up a gofund me for their own lawyer to keep their ass clear of their sons charges. If you dumbass child didn't destroy his lift because "someone was looking at him" his ass wouldn't be in the hospital or on trial for murder. the fuk is wrong with people in this country?
@DeezyAZ81 I'm in the Bay area and every grocery store has armed guards now. Was not like this before covid. I drive by PG&E and I see armed, private security. Never ever seen that before. I talk with police here. They say it's getting worse. I don't need to look at manipulated stats when I can talk to people who are around it on a daily basis. I asked a cop about recalling the DA, he obviously wouldn't give me an answer because he was in uni, but it was clear he wasn't happy with the DA. My company has had dozens of work vehicles stolen, police don't do shit about it because they know nothing will happen to the person that stole it. I had a customer have their car stolen. We found it in a bad part of town 2 days later. Police showed up, saw the guy who took it and let him be. That area now has dozens of stolen vans in the same lot. Would you like me to go take photos for you? If people are not reporting crimes, how in the hell would that be shown in statistics? Think about what you just said...Secondly, if no one is reporting crimes, there should be statistics showing a consistent, sharp increase in unreported crimes across every city in America right? Show me any documentation that shows a huge rise in unreported crimes for cities across the country. Do you honestly think that people who do not report crimes are going to report that they didn't report?
Figures. That is because you do not have any stats to back your broad assumptions, which I already knew. Sorry I do not trust your opinion.
If you are speaking for your neighborhood in the Bay area, then do just that. Do not make broad generalizations because what you claim cannot be backed by any data or statistics across the country or any major city. I can tell you that what you are claiming is happening in the Bay is not happening here in my experiences in Phoenix, which is one of biggest, fastest growing cities in America. Pretty sure the Bay area has always had crime problems before, during, and after Biden. It certainly did not start with him from what I have read.
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Quote Originally Posted by BigGame90:
@DeezyAZ81 I'm in the Bay area and every grocery store has armed guards now. Was not like this before covid. I drive by PG&E and I see armed, private security. Never ever seen that before. I talk with police here. They say it's getting worse. I don't need to look at manipulated stats when I can talk to people who are around it on a daily basis. I asked a cop about recalling the DA, he obviously wouldn't give me an answer because he was in uni, but it was clear he wasn't happy with the DA. My company has had dozens of work vehicles stolen, police don't do shit about it because they know nothing will happen to the person that stole it. I had a customer have their car stolen. We found it in a bad part of town 2 days later. Police showed up, saw the guy who took it and let him be. That area now has dozens of stolen vans in the same lot. Would you like me to go take photos for you? If people are not reporting crimes, how in the hell would that be shown in statistics? Think about what you just said...Secondly, if no one is reporting crimes, there should be statistics showing a consistent, sharp increase in unreported crimes across every city in America right? Show me any documentation that shows a huge rise in unreported crimes for cities across the country. Do you honestly think that people who do not report crimes are going to report that they didn't report?
Figures. That is because you do not have any stats to back your broad assumptions, which I already knew. Sorry I do not trust your opinion.
If you are speaking for your neighborhood in the Bay area, then do just that. Do not make broad generalizations because what you claim cannot be backed by any data or statistics across the country or any major city. I can tell you that what you are claiming is happening in the Bay is not happening here in my experiences in Phoenix, which is one of biggest, fastest growing cities in America. Pretty sure the Bay area has always had crime problems before, during, and after Biden. It certainly did not start with him from what I have read.
@DeezyAZ81 I'm in the Bay area and every grocery store has armed guards now. Was not like this before covid. I drive by PG&E and I see armed, private security. Never ever seen that before. I talk with police here. They say it's getting worse. I don't need to look at manipulated stats when I can talk to people who are around it on a daily basis. I asked a cop about recalling the DA, he obviously wouldn't give me an answer because he was in uni, but it was clear he wasn't happy with the DA. My company has had dozens of work vehicles stolen, police don't do shit about it because they know nothing will happen to the person that stole it. I had a customer have their car stolen. We found it in a bad part of town 2 days later. Police showed up, saw the guy who took it and let him be. That area now has dozens of stolen vans in the same lot. Would you like me to go take photos for you? If people are not reporting crimes, how in the hell would that be shown in statistics? Think about what you just said...Secondly, if no one is reporting crimes, there should be statistics showing a consistent, sharp increase in unreported crimes across every city in America right? Show me any documentation that shows a huge rise in unreported crimes for cities across the country. Do you honestly think that people who do not report crimes are going to report that they didn't report?
National crime statistical reports do indeed have a category for unreported crimes. For example, The NCVS is one national report that measures unreported crime victimizations. This really just shows me you have no clue about the topic you are discussing. If you are simply saying unreported crimes are up but not backing it up with any data or trends, why would this be deemed credible? Just because you say so or saw it on conservative media or claim to talk to people in your neighborhood? Sounds like you just make $hit up because it sounds good with the narrative you are pushing.
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Quote Originally Posted by BigGame90:
@DeezyAZ81 I'm in the Bay area and every grocery store has armed guards now. Was not like this before covid. I drive by PG&E and I see armed, private security. Never ever seen that before. I talk with police here. They say it's getting worse. I don't need to look at manipulated stats when I can talk to people who are around it on a daily basis. I asked a cop about recalling the DA, he obviously wouldn't give me an answer because he was in uni, but it was clear he wasn't happy with the DA. My company has had dozens of work vehicles stolen, police don't do shit about it because they know nothing will happen to the person that stole it. I had a customer have their car stolen. We found it in a bad part of town 2 days later. Police showed up, saw the guy who took it and let him be. That area now has dozens of stolen vans in the same lot. Would you like me to go take photos for you? If people are not reporting crimes, how in the hell would that be shown in statistics? Think about what you just said...Secondly, if no one is reporting crimes, there should be statistics showing a consistent, sharp increase in unreported crimes across every city in America right? Show me any documentation that shows a huge rise in unreported crimes for cities across the country. Do you honestly think that people who do not report crimes are going to report that they didn't report?
National crime statistical reports do indeed have a category for unreported crimes. For example, The NCVS is one national report that measures unreported crime victimizations. This really just shows me you have no clue about the topic you are discussing. If you are simply saying unreported crimes are up but not backing it up with any data or trends, why would this be deemed credible? Just because you say so or saw it on conservative media or claim to talk to people in your neighborhood? Sounds like you just make $hit up because it sounds good with the narrative you are pushing.
@DeezyAZ81 If people are not going to report crimes to local authorities, they are not going to report that they did not report their crimes. PHX has a pretty high crime rate compared to the country.
You don't realize that law enforcement agencies possess tools and technologies to detect unreported crimes? This is like rookie level knowledge man. Come on.
As for Phoenix compared to what other cities? What is the rate of increase over last 3 years? Where are you pulling stats from? You say a lot without really saying much or backing it up with real data or statistics.
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Quote Originally Posted by BigGame90:
@DeezyAZ81 If people are not going to report crimes to local authorities, they are not going to report that they did not report their crimes. PHX has a pretty high crime rate compared to the country.
You don't realize that law enforcement agencies possess tools and technologies to detect unreported crimes? This is like rookie level knowledge man. Come on.
As for Phoenix compared to what other cities? What is the rate of increase over last 3 years? Where are you pulling stats from? You say a lot without really saying much or backing it up with real data or statistics.
People are not going to report crimes to local authorities when they know nothing will happen. Property for example. Why spend the time waiting for the police to come file a report when nothing will happen? You really think the police are going to start searching for some window smashers? Maybe if they had some expensive items stolen they'll wait, otherwise people don't want to spend that time and you know damn well the police don't want to either.
Show me the rates decreasing in PHX....
What is the crime rate in Phoenix compared to the national average?
Crime can be categorized into two primary types: violent and property crimes. Violent crimes encompass offenses such as murder, rape, robbery, and assault, whereas property crimes involve acts like burglary, theft, and vehicle theft. The overall crime rate in Phoenix is 60.4% higher than the national average.
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@DeezyAZ81
People are not going to report crimes to local authorities when they know nothing will happen. Property for example. Why spend the time waiting for the police to come file a report when nothing will happen? You really think the police are going to start searching for some window smashers? Maybe if they had some expensive items stolen they'll wait, otherwise people don't want to spend that time and you know damn well the police don't want to either.
Show me the rates decreasing in PHX....
What is the crime rate in Phoenix compared to the national average?
Crime can be categorized into two primary types: violent and property crimes. Violent crimes encompass offenses such as murder, rape, robbery, and assault, whereas property crimes involve acts like burglary, theft, and vehicle theft. The overall crime rate in Phoenix is 60.4% higher than the national average.
@DeezyAZ81 People are not going to report crimes to local authorities when they know nothing will happen. Property for example. Why spend the time waiting for the police to come file a report when nothing will happen? You really think the police are going to start searching for some window smashers? Maybe if they had some expensive items stolen they'll wait, otherwise people don't want to spend that time and you know damn well the police don't want to either. Show me the rates decreasing in PHX.... What is the crime rate in Phoenix compared to the national average? Crime can be categorized into two primary types: violent and property crimes. Violent crimes encompass offenses such as murder, rape, robbery, and assault, whereas property crimes involve acts like burglary, theft, and vehicle theft. The overall crime rate in Phoenix is 60.4% higher than the national average.
I have been asking you for your statistics for the last 5 posts on unreported crimes, yet you cannot show me any. I'll show you mine when you show me yours.
As for your Phoenix statistic? What year is that from? What is your source? Interesting with all this crime in Phoenix, I have yet to be stopped or forced to show a grocery store receipt in any grocery store like you claim is happening everywhere nationwide.
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Quote Originally Posted by BigGame90:
@DeezyAZ81 People are not going to report crimes to local authorities when they know nothing will happen. Property for example. Why spend the time waiting for the police to come file a report when nothing will happen? You really think the police are going to start searching for some window smashers? Maybe if they had some expensive items stolen they'll wait, otherwise people don't want to spend that time and you know damn well the police don't want to either. Show me the rates decreasing in PHX.... What is the crime rate in Phoenix compared to the national average? Crime can be categorized into two primary types: violent and property crimes. Violent crimes encompass offenses such as murder, rape, robbery, and assault, whereas property crimes involve acts like burglary, theft, and vehicle theft. The overall crime rate in Phoenix is 60.4% higher than the national average.
I have been asking you for your statistics for the last 5 posts on unreported crimes, yet you cannot show me any. I'll show you mine when you show me yours.
As for your Phoenix statistic? What year is that from? What is your source? Interesting with all this crime in Phoenix, I have yet to be stopped or forced to show a grocery store receipt in any grocery store like you claim is happening everywhere nationwide.
You referred to NCVS which is based on surveys. Come on man. Surveys, you're talking about surveys??!!! Not only that, it's a Self reported survey of only 240k people. Do you know how many people are in the US?
People love surveys and polls and take them as facts.
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@DeezyAZ81
You referred to NCVS which is based on surveys. Come on man. Surveys, you're talking about surveys??!!! Not only that, it's a Self reported survey of only 240k people. Do you know how many people are in the US?
People love surveys and polls and take them as facts.
Quote Originally Posted by BigGame90: @DeezyAZ81 People are not going to report crimes to local authorities when they know nothing will happen. Property for example. Why spend the time waiting for the police to come file a report when nothing will happen? You really think the police are going to start searching for some window smashers? Maybe if they had some expensive items stolen they'll wait, otherwise people don't want to spend that time and you know damn well the police don't want to either. Show me the rates decreasing in PHX.... What is the crime rate in Phoenix compared to the national average? Crime can be categorized into two primary types: violent and property crimes. Violent crimes encompass offenses such as murder, rape, robbery, and assault, whereas property crimes involve acts like burglary, theft, and vehicle theft. The overall crime rate in Phoenix is 60.4% higher than the national average. I have been asking you for your statistics for the last 5 posts on unreported crimes, yet you cannot show me any. I'll show you mine when you show me yours. As for your Phoenix statistic? What year is that from? What is your source? Interesting with all this crime in Phoenix, I have yet to be stopped or forced to show a grocery store receipt in any grocery store like you claim is happening everywhere nationwide.
Stop asking about unreported crimes. Are you a moron? UNREPORTED. How TF am I supposed to give you reports on UNREPORTED? My god, dude. Stop being an idiot.
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Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81:
Quote Originally Posted by BigGame90: @DeezyAZ81 People are not going to report crimes to local authorities when they know nothing will happen. Property for example. Why spend the time waiting for the police to come file a report when nothing will happen? You really think the police are going to start searching for some window smashers? Maybe if they had some expensive items stolen they'll wait, otherwise people don't want to spend that time and you know damn well the police don't want to either. Show me the rates decreasing in PHX.... What is the crime rate in Phoenix compared to the national average? Crime can be categorized into two primary types: violent and property crimes. Violent crimes encompass offenses such as murder, rape, robbery, and assault, whereas property crimes involve acts like burglary, theft, and vehicle theft. The overall crime rate in Phoenix is 60.4% higher than the national average. I have been asking you for your statistics for the last 5 posts on unreported crimes, yet you cannot show me any. I'll show you mine when you show me yours. As for your Phoenix statistic? What year is that from? What is your source? Interesting with all this crime in Phoenix, I have yet to be stopped or forced to show a grocery store receipt in any grocery store like you claim is happening everywhere nationwide.
Stop asking about unreported crimes. Are you a moron? UNREPORTED. How TF am I supposed to give you reports on UNREPORTED? My god, dude. Stop being an idiot.
Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81: Quote Originally Posted by BigGame90: @DeezyAZ81 People are not going to report crimes to local authorities when they know nothing will happen. Property for example. Why spend the time waiting for the police to come file a report when nothing will happen? You really think the police are going to start searching for some window smashers? Maybe if they had some expensive items stolen they'll wait, otherwise people don't want to spend that time and you know damn well the police don't want to either. Show me the rates decreasing in PHX.... What is the crime rate in Phoenix compared to the national average? Crime can be categorized into two primary types: violent and property crimes. Violent crimes encompass offenses such as murder, rape, robbery, and assault, whereas property crimes involve acts like burglary, theft, and vehicle theft. The overall crime rate in Phoenix is 60.4% higher than the national average. I have been asking you for your statistics for the last 5 posts on unreported crimes, yet you cannot show me any. I'll show you mine when you show me yours. As for your Phoenix statistic? What year is that from? What is your source? Interesting with all this crime in Phoenix, I have yet to be stopped or forced to show a grocery store receipt in any grocery store like you claim is happening everywhere nationwide. Stop asking about unreported crimes. Are you a moron? UNREPORTED. How TF am I supposed to give you reports on UNREPORTED? My god, dude. Stop being an idiot.
You are clueless man. I already gave you a national crime report that provides statistics on unreported crimes (NCVS). Can you not read???? I've given you answers, you are too biased and braindead to understand apparently.
Keep pushing your fake narratives though. As for Phoenix crime rate declining, do a simple google search (Crime rates declining in Phoenix). An entire first page of articles and data from UCR and Arizona publications for 2023 comes up. I'll post one but it will probably be removed. Keep pushing your ignorance though it's what you do best.
https://www.phoenix.gov/newsroom/police/2823
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Quote Originally Posted by BigGame90:
Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81: Quote Originally Posted by BigGame90: @DeezyAZ81 People are not going to report crimes to local authorities when they know nothing will happen. Property for example. Why spend the time waiting for the police to come file a report when nothing will happen? You really think the police are going to start searching for some window smashers? Maybe if they had some expensive items stolen they'll wait, otherwise people don't want to spend that time and you know damn well the police don't want to either. Show me the rates decreasing in PHX.... What is the crime rate in Phoenix compared to the national average? Crime can be categorized into two primary types: violent and property crimes. Violent crimes encompass offenses such as murder, rape, robbery, and assault, whereas property crimes involve acts like burglary, theft, and vehicle theft. The overall crime rate in Phoenix is 60.4% higher than the national average. I have been asking you for your statistics for the last 5 posts on unreported crimes, yet you cannot show me any. I'll show you mine when you show me yours. As for your Phoenix statistic? What year is that from? What is your source? Interesting with all this crime in Phoenix, I have yet to be stopped or forced to show a grocery store receipt in any grocery store like you claim is happening everywhere nationwide. Stop asking about unreported crimes. Are you a moron? UNREPORTED. How TF am I supposed to give you reports on UNREPORTED? My god, dude. Stop being an idiot.
You are clueless man. I already gave you a national crime report that provides statistics on unreported crimes (NCVS). Can you not read???? I've given you answers, you are too biased and braindead to understand apparently.
Keep pushing your fake narratives though. As for Phoenix crime rate declining, do a simple google search (Crime rates declining in Phoenix). An entire first page of articles and data from UCR and Arizona publications for 2023 comes up. I'll post one but it will probably be removed. Keep pushing your ignorance though it's what you do best.
This is something that you can easily look up on many different sites:
Based on those results Asher, Karma, and Graham, are both completely right ¨C and quite probably wrong. Murders in 2023 may be down (we don¡¯t know how much yet). Asher and others are also pointing to the FBI NIBRS statistics which indicate a drop in reported crime.
Yet none acknowledge either the gap nor the widening increase.
In addition, the gap between reported and unreported crime is widening. In 2021, the rate of violent victimization reported to the police was 7.5 per 1000 and in 2022 that number increased to 9.7 per 1000. But the most concerning figures are the unreported victimizations which in 2021 were 8.7 per 1000. In 2022, they increased to 13.2 per 1000, a figure that is reflected as an increase but shows a decline in reporting victimizations of 34 percent. So, while reporting improved, unreported crime increased by a higher percentage.
Put another way there were 4,598,310 violent crime victims in 2021 and in 2022 that number increased to 6,624,950, an increase of 44 percent.
Are murders an accurate barometer of overall crime rates? Definitely not.
This is a dire indicator on many levels as it means that for a variety of reasons, crime victims are opting out of participating in the criminal justice system beyond their willingness to participate in surveys. This is not ¡°normal¡± or a ¡°peace wave¡± ¨C but a concerning reality that people are losing faith in their country¡¯s system of justice.
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This is something that you can easily look up on many different sites:
Based on those results Asher, Karma, and Graham, are both completely right ¨C and quite probably wrong. Murders in 2023 may be down (we don¡¯t know how much yet). Asher and others are also pointing to the FBI NIBRS statistics which indicate a drop in reported crime.
Yet none acknowledge either the gap nor the widening increase.
In addition, the gap between reported and unreported crime is widening. In 2021, the rate of violent victimization reported to the police was 7.5 per 1000 and in 2022 that number increased to 9.7 per 1000. But the most concerning figures are the unreported victimizations which in 2021 were 8.7 per 1000. In 2022, they increased to 13.2 per 1000, a figure that is reflected as an increase but shows a decline in reporting victimizations of 34 percent. So, while reporting improved, unreported crime increased by a higher percentage.
Put another way there were 4,598,310 violent crime victims in 2021 and in 2022 that number increased to 6,624,950, an increase of 44 percent.
Are murders an accurate barometer of overall crime rates? Definitely not.
This is a dire indicator on many levels as it means that for a variety of reasons, crime victims are opting out of participating in the criminal justice system beyond their willingness to participate in surveys. This is not ¡°normal¡± or a ¡°peace wave¡± ¨C but a concerning reality that people are losing faith in their country¡¯s system of justice.
Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81: Quote Originally Posted by BigGame90: @DeezyAZ81 People are not going to report crimes to local authorities when they know nothing will happen. Property for example. Why spend the time waiting for the police to come file a report when nothing will happen? You really think the police are going to start searching for some window smashers? Maybe if they had some expensive items stolen they'll wait, otherwise people don't want to spend that time and you know damn well the police don't want to either. Show me the rates decreasing in PHX.... What is the crime rate in Phoenix compared to the national average? Crime can be categorized into two primary types: violent and property crimes. Violent crimes encompass offenses such as murder, rape, robbery, and assault, whereas property crimes involve acts like burglary, theft, and vehicle theft. The overall crime rate in Phoenix is 60.4% higher than the national average. I have been asking you for your statistics for the last 5 posts on unreported crimes, yet you cannot show me any. I'll show you mine when you show me yours. As for your Phoenix statistic? What year is that from? What is your source? Interesting with all this crime in Phoenix, I have yet to be stopped or forced to show a grocery store receipt in any grocery store like you claim is happening everywhere nationwide. Stop asking about unreported crimes. Are you a moron? UNREPORTED. How TF am I supposed to give you reports on UNREPORTED? My god, dude. Stop being an idiot.
So where are you coming up with the idea that unreported crimes are growing? Because you said so??? If you have no data, how the hell are you making some claim? Because you talked to a cop or a security guard at a grocery store?? Yet, you claim I am the moron??? You just make $hit up because it sounds good to you and aligns with your political biases. Trust me guys...unreported crimes are skyrocketing everywhere because I said so.... or a cop told me... or Fox said so.. and so that applies to the entire country.. I do not have any data or statistics to back this claim, but just trust me...
You do not even realize how stupid you sound, which is sad.
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Quote Originally Posted by BigGame90:
Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81: Quote Originally Posted by BigGame90: @DeezyAZ81 People are not going to report crimes to local authorities when they know nothing will happen. Property for example. Why spend the time waiting for the police to come file a report when nothing will happen? You really think the police are going to start searching for some window smashers? Maybe if they had some expensive items stolen they'll wait, otherwise people don't want to spend that time and you know damn well the police don't want to either. Show me the rates decreasing in PHX.... What is the crime rate in Phoenix compared to the national average? Crime can be categorized into two primary types: violent and property crimes. Violent crimes encompass offenses such as murder, rape, robbery, and assault, whereas property crimes involve acts like burglary, theft, and vehicle theft. The overall crime rate in Phoenix is 60.4% higher than the national average. I have been asking you for your statistics for the last 5 posts on unreported crimes, yet you cannot show me any. I'll show you mine when you show me yours. As for your Phoenix statistic? What year is that from? What is your source? Interesting with all this crime in Phoenix, I have yet to be stopped or forced to show a grocery store receipt in any grocery store like you claim is happening everywhere nationwide. Stop asking about unreported crimes. Are you a moron? UNREPORTED. How TF am I supposed to give you reports on UNREPORTED? My god, dude. Stop being an idiot.
So where are you coming up with the idea that unreported crimes are growing? Because you said so??? If you have no data, how the hell are you making some claim? Because you talked to a cop or a security guard at a grocery store?? Yet, you claim I am the moron??? You just make $hit up because it sounds good to you and aligns with your political biases. Trust me guys...unreported crimes are skyrocketing everywhere because I said so.... or a cop told me... or Fox said so.. and so that applies to the entire country.. I do not have any data or statistics to back this claim, but just trust me...
You do not even realize how stupid you sound, which is sad.
This is something that you can easily look up on many different sites: Based on those results Asher, Karma, and Graham, are both completely right ¨C and quite probably wrong. Murders in 2023 may be down (we don¡¯t know how much yet). Asher and others are also pointing to the FBI NIBRS statistics which indicate a drop in reported crime. Yet none acknowledge either the gap nor the widening increase. In addition, the gap between reported and unreported crime is widening. In 2021, the rate of violent victimization reported to the police was 7.5 per 1000 and in 2022 that number increased to 9.7 per 1000. But the most concerning figures are the unreported victimizations which in 2021 were 8.7 per 1000. In 2022, they increased to 13.2 per 1000, a figure that is reflected as an increase but shows a decline in reporting victimizations of 34 percent. So, while reporting improved, unreported crime increased by a higher percentage. Put another way there were 4,598,310 violent crime victims in 2021 and in 2022 that number increased to 6,624,950, an increase of 44 percent. Are murders an accurate barometer of overall crime rates? Definitely not. This is a dire indicator on many levels as it means that for a variety of reasons, crime victims are opting out of participating in the criminal justice system beyond their willingness to participate in surveys. This is not ¡°normal¡± or a ¡°peace wave¡± ¨C but a concerning reality that people are losing faith in their country¡¯s system of justice.
No Raiders! This data does not exist according to BigGame No way of knowing unreported crimes according to him. Just take his word for it!
2023 data is out too. December 2023 I found some. Unreported crimes down from 2022. Is not surprising considering overall decline in crime in 2023.
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Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:
This is something that you can easily look up on many different sites: Based on those results Asher, Karma, and Graham, are both completely right ¨C and quite probably wrong. Murders in 2023 may be down (we don¡¯t know how much yet). Asher and others are also pointing to the FBI NIBRS statistics which indicate a drop in reported crime. Yet none acknowledge either the gap nor the widening increase. In addition, the gap between reported and unreported crime is widening. In 2021, the rate of violent victimization reported to the police was 7.5 per 1000 and in 2022 that number increased to 9.7 per 1000. But the most concerning figures are the unreported victimizations which in 2021 were 8.7 per 1000. In 2022, they increased to 13.2 per 1000, a figure that is reflected as an increase but shows a decline in reporting victimizations of 34 percent. So, while reporting improved, unreported crime increased by a higher percentage. Put another way there were 4,598,310 violent crime victims in 2021 and in 2022 that number increased to 6,624,950, an increase of 44 percent. Are murders an accurate barometer of overall crime rates? Definitely not. This is a dire indicator on many levels as it means that for a variety of reasons, crime victims are opting out of participating in the criminal justice system beyond their willingness to participate in surveys. This is not ¡°normal¡± or a ¡°peace wave¡± ¨C but a concerning reality that people are losing faith in their country¡¯s system of justice.
No Raiders! This data does not exist according to BigGame No way of knowing unreported crimes according to him. Just take his word for it!
2023 data is out too. December 2023 I found some. Unreported crimes down from 2022. Is not surprising considering overall decline in crime in 2023.
Do you even know what NCVS is? It's a fucking self report survey dude. You're trying to take a damn self reported survey of 240k people and make it as fact for a nation of over 300 million people. Do you not realize how easy it is to manipulate surveys? Especially self reporting.
he BJS National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS) is the nation's primary source of information on criminal victimization. Each year, data are obtained from a nationally representative sample of about 240,000 persons in about 150,000 households. Persons are interviewed on the frequency, characteristics, and consequences of criminal victimization in the United States. The NCVS collects information on nonfatal personal crimes (i.e., rape or sexual assault, robbery, aggravated and simple assault, and personal larceny) and household property crimes (i.e., burglary/trespassing, motor vehicle theft, and other types of theft) both reported and not reported to the police. Survey respondents provide information about themselves (e.g., age, sex, race and Hispanic origin, marital status, education level, and income) and whether they experienced a victimization. For each victimization incident, the NCVS collects information about the offender (e.g., age, race and Hispanic origin, sex, and victim-offender relationship), characteristics of the crime (e.g., time and place of occurrence, use of weapons, nature of the injury, and economic consequences), whether the crime was reported to police, reasons the crime was or was not reported, and victim experiences with the criminal justice system.
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@DeezyAZ81
Do you even know what NCVS is? It's a fucking self report survey dude. You're trying to take a damn self reported survey of 240k people and make it as fact for a nation of over 300 million people. Do you not realize how easy it is to manipulate surveys? Especially self reporting.
he BJS National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS) is the nation's primary source of information on criminal victimization. Each year, data are obtained from a nationally representative sample of about 240,000 persons in about 150,000 households. Persons are interviewed on the frequency, characteristics, and consequences of criminal victimization in the United States. The NCVS collects information on nonfatal personal crimes (i.e., rape or sexual assault, robbery, aggravated and simple assault, and personal larceny) and household property crimes (i.e., burglary/trespassing, motor vehicle theft, and other types of theft) both reported and not reported to the police. Survey respondents provide information about themselves (e.g., age, sex, race and Hispanic origin, marital status, education level, and income) and whether they experienced a victimization. For each victimization incident, the NCVS collects information about the offender (e.g., age, race and Hispanic origin, sex, and victim-offender relationship), characteristics of the crime (e.g., time and place of occurrence, use of weapons, nature of the injury, and economic consequences), whether the crime was reported to police, reasons the crime was or was not reported, and victim experiences with the criminal justice system.
Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: This is something that you can easily look up on many different sites: Based on those results Asher, Karma, and Graham, are both completely right ¨C and quite probably wrong. Murders in 2023 may be down (we don¡¯t know how much yet). Asher and others are also pointing to the FBI NIBRS statistics which indicate a drop in reported crime. Yet none acknowledge either the gap nor the widening increase. In addition, the gap between reported and unreported crime is widening. In 2021, the rate of violent victimization reported to the police was 7.5 per 1000 and in 2022 that number increased to 9.7 per 1000. But the most concerning figures are the unreported victimizations which in 2021 were 8.7 per 1000. In 2022, they increased to 13.2 per 1000, a figure that is reflected as an increase but shows a decline in reporting victimizations of 34 percent. So, while reporting improved, unreported crime increased by a higher percentage. Put another way there were 4,598,310 violent crime victims in 2021 and in 2022 that number increased to 6,624,950, an increase of 44 percent. Are murders an accurate barometer of overall crime rates? Definitely not. This is a dire indicator on many levels as it means that for a variety of reasons, crime victims are opting out of participating in the criminal justice system beyond their willingness to participate in surveys. This is not ¡°normal¡± or a ¡°peace wave¡± ¨C but a concerning reality that people are losing faith in their country¡¯s system of justice. No Raiders! This data does not exist according to BigGame No way of knowing unreported crimes according to him. Just take his word for it! 2023 data is out too. December 2023 I found some. Unreported crimes down from 2022. Is not surprising considering overall decline in crime in 2023.
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Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81:
Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: This is something that you can easily look up on many different sites: Based on those results Asher, Karma, and Graham, are both completely right ¨C and quite probably wrong. Murders in 2023 may be down (we don¡¯t know how much yet). Asher and others are also pointing to the FBI NIBRS statistics which indicate a drop in reported crime. Yet none acknowledge either the gap nor the widening increase. In addition, the gap between reported and unreported crime is widening. In 2021, the rate of violent victimization reported to the police was 7.5 per 1000 and in 2022 that number increased to 9.7 per 1000. But the most concerning figures are the unreported victimizations which in 2021 were 8.7 per 1000. In 2022, they increased to 13.2 per 1000, a figure that is reflected as an increase but shows a decline in reporting victimizations of 34 percent. So, while reporting improved, unreported crime increased by a higher percentage. Put another way there were 4,598,310 violent crime victims in 2021 and in 2022 that number increased to 6,624,950, an increase of 44 percent. Are murders an accurate barometer of overall crime rates? Definitely not. This is a dire indicator on many levels as it means that for a variety of reasons, crime victims are opting out of participating in the criminal justice system beyond their willingness to participate in surveys. This is not ¡°normal¡± or a ¡°peace wave¡± ¨C but a concerning reality that people are losing faith in their country¡¯s system of justice. No Raiders! This data does not exist according to BigGame No way of knowing unreported crimes according to him. Just take his word for it! 2023 data is out too. December 2023 I found some. Unreported crimes down from 2022. Is not surprising considering overall decline in crime in 2023.
[Quote: Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81]Quote Originally Posted by scooby-doos: Under this administration you are encouraged to brake laws by its action... no bail,, no arrest..vilify the police..defund the police... criminals are having a blast . They know there is a great chance of anything happening to them, if any at all. Hate to break it to you (not BRAKE) but crime rates are dropping like flies in 2024 across America in cities both big and small but I know it does not fit this false narrative you are pushing. The defund the police nonsense is just something to complain about, actually is not happening anywhere.[/Quote]
Better go review that again, DEEZY. Property crime, robberies, smash and grab, etc. are still increasing,..... thanks to the "" soft on crime"" policies your party likes to push.. Yeah, Defund the Police was/is stupid policy..
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[Quote: Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81]Quote Originally Posted by scooby-doos: Under this administration you are encouraged to brake laws by its action... no bail,, no arrest..vilify the police..defund the police... criminals are having a blast . They know there is a great chance of anything happening to them, if any at all. Hate to break it to you (not BRAKE) but crime rates are dropping like flies in 2024 across America in cities both big and small but I know it does not fit this false narrative you are pushing. The defund the police nonsense is just something to complain about, actually is not happening anywhere.[/Quote]
Better go review that again, DEEZY. Property crime, robberies, smash and grab, etc. are still increasing,..... thanks to the "" soft on crime"" policies your party likes to push.. Yeah, Defund the Police was/is stupid policy..
But the most concerning figures are the unreported victimizations which in 2021 were 8.7 per 1000. In 2022, they increased to 13.2 per 1000, a figure that is reflected as an increase but shows a decline in reporting victimizations of 34 percent. So, while reporting improved, unreported crime increased by a higher percentage. Put another way there were 4,598,310 violent crime victims in 2021 and in 2022 that number increased to 6,624,950, an increase of 44 percent.
This was the part I was referring to. I think most people realize that violent crime is down overall. But I thought his point was that the unreported crimes are on the increase and the gap between them is increasing. That is what I was quoting.
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@DeezyAZ81
But the most concerning figures are the unreported victimizations which in 2021 were 8.7 per 1000. In 2022, they increased to 13.2 per 1000, a figure that is reflected as an increase but shows a decline in reporting victimizations of 34 percent. So, while reporting improved, unreported crime increased by a higher percentage. Put another way there were 4,598,310 violent crime victims in 2021 and in 2022 that number increased to 6,624,950, an increase of 44 percent.
This was the part I was referring to. I think most people realize that violent crime is down overall. But I thought his point was that the unreported crimes are on the increase and the gap between them is increasing. That is what I was quoting.
Quote Originally Posted by BigGame90: Maybe putting fear in criminals will. How about, anyone in possession of an illegally obtained firearm gets 20 years and NO LESS in prison. That's how you control guns. Right, stricter penalties will do one of two things...It will either deter the person from doing the crime (most likely not with some of these perps) or it will put them away for longer periods to reduce repeat offending.....nothing wrong with harsher gun laws and it's the easiest of all to regulate....taking guns of the streets or making it harder to buy guns is not going to solve anything at this point because the system by one can obtain a gun in today's times is too easy and too wide spread...I'm not sure that can be resolved because a lot of these guns used to commit these crimes are most likely not legal or legit guns registered to those individuals....I mean, who would be stupid enough to use a gun with some of these heinous crimes being committed...consequences are way too soft on some of the crimes that are committed....it's no deterrent, but stiffer penalties would certainly do the trick...20 years even sounds soft...I'd up it a bit and make these people think whether the crime is worth it if they get caught and whether or not they want to spend a 1/3 or half their life in prison for it...it's the only mind trick that can be played with these types of criminals...if anyone is serious about it then stiffen the penalties... Look at other countries gun laws and understand why they do not have issues with guns in their countries...not saying adopt those blindly, but look at Singapore for example: to own a gun you have to part of a gun club and your weapon has to remain on club premises...a private citizen is not allowed to own a gun at home...when you do get a gun permit to have a gun, the permit is only valid for one year...if you illegally own a gun or ammo the penalty is 5 years...if you fire a gun, while not in a gun club or on its premises, even if you do not injure someone it can be punishable by death sentence... Look at the chart in the link and look at the countries in blue for having to have permits for both short and long guns....pretty much the US is one of a very few countries that does not require permits throughout its nation... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overview_of_gun_laws_by_nation
Well, there's the 2nd Amendment that protects the right to keep and bear arms in the good ' ol USA. You either do or you don't believe in the wisdom of our Founding Fathers. They knew damn well from experience that this was necessary to protect the people from a tyrannical government .
And thank God we still have people in Congress that recognize this.... because the DEMS playbook is to reduce gun rights step by step until the citizenry is disarmed.
That is the danger.
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Quote Originally Posted by ABooksNightmare:
Quote Originally Posted by BigGame90: Maybe putting fear in criminals will. How about, anyone in possession of an illegally obtained firearm gets 20 years and NO LESS in prison. That's how you control guns. Right, stricter penalties will do one of two things...It will either deter the person from doing the crime (most likely not with some of these perps) or it will put them away for longer periods to reduce repeat offending.....nothing wrong with harsher gun laws and it's the easiest of all to regulate....taking guns of the streets or making it harder to buy guns is not going to solve anything at this point because the system by one can obtain a gun in today's times is too easy and too wide spread...I'm not sure that can be resolved because a lot of these guns used to commit these crimes are most likely not legal or legit guns registered to those individuals....I mean, who would be stupid enough to use a gun with some of these heinous crimes being committed...consequences are way too soft on some of the crimes that are committed....it's no deterrent, but stiffer penalties would certainly do the trick...20 years even sounds soft...I'd up it a bit and make these people think whether the crime is worth it if they get caught and whether or not they want to spend a 1/3 or half their life in prison for it...it's the only mind trick that can be played with these types of criminals...if anyone is serious about it then stiffen the penalties... Look at other countries gun laws and understand why they do not have issues with guns in their countries...not saying adopt those blindly, but look at Singapore for example: to own a gun you have to part of a gun club and your weapon has to remain on club premises...a private citizen is not allowed to own a gun at home...when you do get a gun permit to have a gun, the permit is only valid for one year...if you illegally own a gun or ammo the penalty is 5 years...if you fire a gun, while not in a gun club or on its premises, even if you do not injure someone it can be punishable by death sentence... Look at the chart in the link and look at the countries in blue for having to have permits for both short and long guns....pretty much the US is one of a very few countries that does not require permits throughout its nation... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overview_of_gun_laws_by_nation
Well, there's the 2nd Amendment that protects the right to keep and bear arms in the good ' ol USA. You either do or you don't believe in the wisdom of our Founding Fathers. They knew damn well from experience that this was necessary to protect the people from a tyrannical government .
And thank God we still have people in Congress that recognize this.... because the DEMS playbook is to reduce gun rights step by step until the citizenry is disarmed.
Deezy is basing his "stats" on a 2 year sample period because it shows a decrease. He's purposely leaving out the years in the past that had spikes. When you have spikes it's easy to show a deceleration on "stats" immediately after. Again, this is all based on self reported surveys. This is an instance of "take with a grain of salt" and he's making a huge deal about it.
It's the same with inflation. Inflation sky rockets one year, then the "rate" (that's the rate YoY) slows the next and people claim inflation is down. When the "rate of inflation" is down it does not mean inflation is down. It just means the rate that inflation increased is slowing but inflation was still going up (taking the last few years as an example). I know, it (it being the word "rate", not to be confused with " actual inflation") confuses a lot of people which is be design. If Deezy wants to look at NCVS numbers, he'd see a large increases leading up to the year he wants to show the decrease. So when comparing a down year, it's in comparison to the previous year that might have had spikes.
2020 saw huge spikes in crime. We are currently still above those numbers from 2020, yet numbers might be coming down because they are comparing to the year prior.
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@Raiders22
Deezy is basing his "stats" on a 2 year sample period because it shows a decrease. He's purposely leaving out the years in the past that had spikes. When you have spikes it's easy to show a deceleration on "stats" immediately after. Again, this is all based on self reported surveys. This is an instance of "take with a grain of salt" and he's making a huge deal about it.
It's the same with inflation. Inflation sky rockets one year, then the "rate" (that's the rate YoY) slows the next and people claim inflation is down. When the "rate of inflation" is down it does not mean inflation is down. It just means the rate that inflation increased is slowing but inflation was still going up (taking the last few years as an example). I know, it (it being the word "rate", not to be confused with " actual inflation") confuses a lot of people which is be design. If Deezy wants to look at NCVS numbers, he'd see a large increases leading up to the year he wants to show the decrease. So when comparing a down year, it's in comparison to the previous year that might have had spikes.
2020 saw huge spikes in crime. We are currently still above those numbers from 2020, yet numbers might be coming down because they are comparing to the year prior.
And that's why it is tough to combat from either side when it comes to gun laws...the founding fathers argument is kind of weak in some areas because things become outdated due to things evolving and adapting to more recent times....all those founding father points were applicable to the time in which they were drafted, but even in today's times laws are evaluated and updated due to the times we currently face....shouldn't the same be said of arguments that were made hundreds of years ago when society has adapted a hundred times over...I'm not saying to dissolve the rights of the people, but I'm not certain that it should be blindly followed if it is outdated in today's times....
Specifically, to the issue of gun laws, this will never be brought to a balance without some drastic measures being put in place...I don't think anyone has a problem with anyone owning a gun legally, but the issue seems to be with those that are able to obtain one illegally and how does the country put measures in place to keep this from happening...
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@Rush51
And that's why it is tough to combat from either side when it comes to gun laws...the founding fathers argument is kind of weak in some areas because things become outdated due to things evolving and adapting to more recent times....all those founding father points were applicable to the time in which they were drafted, but even in today's times laws are evaluated and updated due to the times we currently face....shouldn't the same be said of arguments that were made hundreds of years ago when society has adapted a hundred times over...I'm not saying to dissolve the rights of the people, but I'm not certain that it should be blindly followed if it is outdated in today's times....
Specifically, to the issue of gun laws, this will never be brought to a balance without some drastic measures being put in place...I don't think anyone has a problem with anyone owning a gun legally, but the issue seems to be with those that are able to obtain one illegally and how does the country put measures in place to keep this from happening...
@DeezyAZ81 Do you even know what NCVS is? It's a fucking self report survey dude. You're trying to take a damn self reported survey of 240k people and make it as fact for a nation of over 300 million people. Do you not realize how easy it is to manipulate surveys? Especially self reporting. he BJS National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS) is the nation's primary source of information on criminal victimization. Each year, data are obtained from a nationally representative sample of about 240,000 persons in about 150,000 households. Persons are interviewed on the frequency, characteristics, and consequences of criminal victimization in the United States. The NCVS collects information on nonfatal personal crimes (i.e., rape or sexual assault, robbery, aggravated and simple assault, and personal larceny) and household property crimes (i.e., burglary/trespassing, motor vehicle theft, and other types of theft) both reported and not reported to the police. Survey respondents provide information about themselves (e.g., age, sex, race and Hispanic origin, marital status, education level, and income) and whether they experienced a victimization. For each victimization incident, the NCVS collects information about the offender (e.g., age, race and Hispanic origin, sex, and victim-offender relationship), characteristics of the crime (e.g., time and place of occurrence, use of weapons, nature of the injury, and economic consequences), whether the crime was reported to police, reasons the crime was or was not reported, and victim experiences with the criminal justice system.
So again. I am supposed to take your word for it that unreported crimes are on the rise? If there is no data on it according to you, why the hell should I take your word for it or anyone elses??? Because a cop in your neighborhood told you so???
So I am not supposed to trust a self reporting survey as you claim but I am supposed to trust you just because??? You make absolutely no sense. Again I know what you are trying to push, but you are failing. Secondly, I am still waiting for your source on crime being 64% higher in Phoenix for 2023 compared to the national average. Unsurprisingly, you still have not provided it. I actually gave you a link from phoenix.gov on crime declining in Phoenix for 2023 and there are many more. Again, you just argue to argue based on your political biases and no facts.
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Quote Originally Posted by BigGame90:
@DeezyAZ81 Do you even know what NCVS is? It's a fucking self report survey dude. You're trying to take a damn self reported survey of 240k people and make it as fact for a nation of over 300 million people. Do you not realize how easy it is to manipulate surveys? Especially self reporting. he BJS National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS) is the nation's primary source of information on criminal victimization. Each year, data are obtained from a nationally representative sample of about 240,000 persons in about 150,000 households. Persons are interviewed on the frequency, characteristics, and consequences of criminal victimization in the United States. The NCVS collects information on nonfatal personal crimes (i.e., rape or sexual assault, robbery, aggravated and simple assault, and personal larceny) and household property crimes (i.e., burglary/trespassing, motor vehicle theft, and other types of theft) both reported and not reported to the police. Survey respondents provide information about themselves (e.g., age, sex, race and Hispanic origin, marital status, education level, and income) and whether they experienced a victimization. For each victimization incident, the NCVS collects information about the offender (e.g., age, race and Hispanic origin, sex, and victim-offender relationship), characteristics of the crime (e.g., time and place of occurrence, use of weapons, nature of the injury, and economic consequences), whether the crime was reported to police, reasons the crime was or was not reported, and victim experiences with the criminal justice system.
So again. I am supposed to take your word for it that unreported crimes are on the rise? If there is no data on it according to you, why the hell should I take your word for it or anyone elses??? Because a cop in your neighborhood told you so???
So I am not supposed to trust a self reporting survey as you claim but I am supposed to trust you just because??? You make absolutely no sense. Again I know what you are trying to push, but you are failing. Secondly, I am still waiting for your source on crime being 64% higher in Phoenix for 2023 compared to the national average. Unsurprisingly, you still have not provided it. I actually gave you a link from phoenix.gov on crime declining in Phoenix for 2023 and there are many more. Again, you just argue to argue based on your political biases and no facts.
I'm not going to claim I know the entire history of China. But China doesn't allow citizens to possess fire arms (unless in rural lands and only for the purpose of hunting). China also doesn't allow much individual freedoms, do they? Is there a correlation? Maybe, maybe not. It seems like this might have been the case in how the US became what it is today and we have a lot more freedoms then the citizens of China.
I think there are people that truly believe they can eradicate guns from citizens. That push needs to end and the focus should be on laws regarding the use and possession of firearms and then sentencing for breaking such laws. A lot of other countries have very strict laws on guns and even if a gun is fired without hitting anyone. If those laws are strict and upheld, it puts fear in people. When our DAs are actively letting criminals go with no cash bails and no sentencing, it does not put any fear in criminals and encourages them do commit more crimes because they know they'll be let off. It's the case of the 2 kids that ran over the retired officer in Nevada. The criminals stated they committed the crimes because they knew they'd get let go. What a Fed up way of thinking, but that's what our system has become. That needs to change.
We can start with the POTUS son and his trail. But we all know that won't happen. Sure would be a great place to start. The POTUS is in a sticky situation huh? Save your son, or start a process to save gun violence in the US?
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@ABooksNightmare
Well said.
I'm not going to claim I know the entire history of China. But China doesn't allow citizens to possess fire arms (unless in rural lands and only for the purpose of hunting). China also doesn't allow much individual freedoms, do they? Is there a correlation? Maybe, maybe not. It seems like this might have been the case in how the US became what it is today and we have a lot more freedoms then the citizens of China.
I think there are people that truly believe they can eradicate guns from citizens. That push needs to end and the focus should be on laws regarding the use and possession of firearms and then sentencing for breaking such laws. A lot of other countries have very strict laws on guns and even if a gun is fired without hitting anyone. If those laws are strict and upheld, it puts fear in people. When our DAs are actively letting criminals go with no cash bails and no sentencing, it does not put any fear in criminals and encourages them do commit more crimes because they know they'll be let off. It's the case of the 2 kids that ran over the retired officer in Nevada. The criminals stated they committed the crimes because they knew they'd get let go. What a Fed up way of thinking, but that's what our system has become. That needs to change.
We can start with the POTUS son and his trail. But we all know that won't happen. Sure would be a great place to start. The POTUS is in a sticky situation huh? Save your son, or start a process to save gun violence in the US?
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This is like rookie level knowledge man. Come on. 
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