spicycurry

WOW you hit on everything spot on! So many people have been calling out vanzack and all he does is deflect and talks about "past winning seasons" which I'm pretty sure is FAKE now because he doesn't include juice in his record  It's more the fact that he thinks he's the shit, when in reality he's worse at picking than the average joe.

It's HILARIOUS how he brags about bitcoin and brings back past "winning" seasons to try to hide his BIG losses this year hahahhahah

And for the record, if you actually account average -110 juice like everyone else, then this season vanzack is down a pathetic -42 units so far, but of course he is soooo special that he doesn't include juice in his record!

He also complained to covers to put me in covers jail because I've been exposing him for his dishonesty!

Keep it going man! You are a lot better and honest than the guy who posts fake lines with no juice 

they can¡¯t make it that easy¡­ everyone thought no way two weeks in a row public can win and look what happened! Vegas got everyone good

This 100%, and most of the lines he gives himself are favorable lines. Majority of them you cannot get without paying vig! There¡¯s no way average juice is no vig

And tell me what exchange does he use when he lives in the states himself? Smells fishy doesn¡¯t it? GB -2.75 was never even juice, that is -120 vig at best!

@Jailbait7127

 Hahahaha man I¡¯m enjoying this! Nah I get a kick out of karma getting him back for his fake record of favorable lines with no vig 

@bigred84

 He has a history of favorable lines with no vig in his record, thus he always has a FAKE record 

@TBLbolts

 Hahahaha why so mad bro? I¡¯m just calling him out with straight up FACTS! And this is a positive thing I¡¯m doing, I¡¯m showing others his true colors and that his record is actually worse than it actually is

Hahahaha keep telling yourself that with your fake money! If you actually count vig for your plays, you now lost 5 out of the 7 weeks so far this season and you still think you¡¯re the best?

For the record, if you go by the average juice of -110 on the REAL books, then your actual record is -15.95, not the fake -10.5 you give yourself! See why juice is important to account? You¡¯re deceiving others by over 5 total units!

@Taipei-Tony

 For sure he doesn¡¯t have a book that gives him no juice, there¡¯s no way he can get those exchanges when he live in the US. He also gives himself favorable lines with no juice, you know what book does that? A book that takes in FAKE money. So all his plays are with fake money 

at least you¡¯re honest about your record and include juice unlike someone else  keep it up man!

@vabirdsfan

 I¡¯m just stating straight up FACTS!! Just calling Vanzack out for being dishonest AGAIN

If that¡¯s the case, then chargers -2.5 would be -125 juice at best and -3 would be even juice, so how does that average out to be EVEN juice? Do you even know how to average out the juice for Asian line? You don¡¯t just pick the EVEN juice you get at -3 you know? 

As you can see not all of those are no juice, but yet you still use a no vig record, make it make sense man! 

if you actually count the average juice of -110, your actual real total this year would be -8.85 units. You gotta stop falsifying your record every year!

And where do you find chargers -2.5?? Everywhere is -3 at -105 juice or EVEN at best. Just like how you call out others giving themselves the better line, you¡¯re giving yourself the better line WITH NO JUICE.

@vanzack

 You didn't prove any point. You continue to ignore what I said about your own comment that you posted in your own thread:

"Everyone who posts it - if they are on the favorite they simply post -2.5, or if they are on the dog they simply post +3. I think that is disingenuous to what I try to do."

So Let me ask you again... who is this "everyone" that you're referring to?

Stop being a hypocrite and don't say those things when you yourself cheat the system too.

Yeah that's right keep doing what you're doing, I already made my suggestions on how you can be more fair with your record posting but you're too stubborn to adapt.

Most people are willing to own up to their mistakes, but you just continue to deflect, which proves my point that you are just as dishonest as those people who you say are giving themselves extra points on lines, but yours is actually worse because you don't include any vig as well.

So you do you, just know your record doesn't mean shit with the "fake lines and no vig that you get" :)

@nawlins51

 Thank you sir! Your post was very informative and fair. So if lowvig is -105 shouldn¡¯t he at least use -105 as his record instead of a no vig record? You said it yourself¡­ using an exchange is hard in the US, so proving my point why is he still using a no vig record then if the common people can¡¯t use that in the US? 

vanzack says he could cares less about his record on here, yet he¡¯s too stubborn to change his no vig record to a W/L units record where people can calculate their own vig. If he really didn¡¯t care, then he would listen to suggestions but you¡¯re right his big ego gets in his way.

and lastly, sorry this is nothing against you. I was ready to squash the beef, but his big ego got in his way and he clearly thinks he¡¯s never wrong so I will continue to own him until he acknowledges that what he¡¯s doing is just as dishonest as those people who he says are putting out ¡°fake¡± lines out there.

@vanzack

 Man you really don¡¯t get it do you? You totally ignored everything that I tagged you in above again lol you not answering my questions is just proving that I¡¯m right Hahahaha

Testing your patience eh? Someone is getting rattled!! I actually enjoy this back and forth since I know I¡¯m right and it¡¯s quite satisfying proving you¡¯re wrong.

1. You keep bringing up other people¡¯s threads that you call out in, tell you what.. I¡¯ll bump it up when I have time just for you then? In the meantime, are you gonna respond to my question that I asked multiple times or nah? Here I¡¯ll copy/paste and post it again for ya 

If you read my comment, I said you did it in others threads AND your own thread which I clearly showed an example to, but you chose to ignore this comment that you posted in your own thread this year:

"Everyone who posts it - if they are on the favorite they simply post -2.5, or if they are on the dog they simply post +3. I think that is disingenuous to what I try to do."

So Let me ask you again... who is this "everyone" that you're referring to? You¡¯ve been ignoring this question nonstop hahahaha

2. You said it yourself, lowvig is -105 not even juice. So why are you still using no vig in your totals recap? You never answered my question on how you¡¯re using 4casters when it¡¯s not available in the US. Don¡¯t you think that¡¯s misleading for you to use no vig then if that book is invite only and NOT available for the majority?

3. You claim that you don¡¯t care about your record on here so then why are you even keeping a no vig record? Who does that benefit? People want actual records on what they could bet, not fake ones that you could only get on an exchange that is not even available in the US.

It is SO obvious that you want to keep that no vig record just so you can pad your stats. And for some reason you have a hard on for keeping a no vig record when I already suggested a simple solution for you to just have W/L unit record instead. What was the point of you asking for suggestions when you won¡¯t even listen to others? Oh I know why¡­ it¡¯s because you think you¡¯re always right! Look yourself in the mirror bud, if so many people on here and Twitter question your no vig record wouldn¡¯t you get a hint that you¡¯re the problem this whole time? You just need to be taught a lesson to not be so stubborn!

@nawlins51

 Appreciate you trying to resolve this! Please look above for my comments to Van about each category. Which exchange is available in the US and not invite only? That was why I didn¡¯t think the no vig record is very fair. And also the lowvig is still average -105 juice right? It¡¯s still not even juice¡­ can you use lowvig if you¡¯re in the US but the state you¡¯re in sports betting isn¡¯t legal? Why would lowvig offer -105 juice when everywhere else offer -110, is it because they don¡¯t do bonuses like bovada? I¡¯m just really trying to understand what¡¯s the catch 

@vanzack 

I know I stated before in the past that the fair thing to do is to just post the W/L unit record and let people calculate themselves. You did it one week last year but not sure why you resorted back to your old no vig ways. So for example, so far this year your Win is 26.75u and your Loss is -31.5u. If people want to calculate with the majority -110 vig, they can easily do it by multiplying the loss by 1.1 which would be -34.65u, so in total would be down -7.9u. I still don¡¯t see a point of a no vig record when you already said yourself that sometimes you bet other plays that won but not included in that record. So really, who does the no vig record benefit?

category 1 is what majority people could get so I thought that was the fairest way to keep record.

category 2, I checked out lowvig but even that the average juice is -105 and not even juice. So a no vig record still doesn¡¯t make sense.

Category 3, I checked out 4casters and it¡¯s invite only and it says not available in US, so how are you getting around and making your bets on that? It¡¯s just not readily available for the majority.

One last thing, I¡¯m not calling you out for no reason at all. I know for a fact that you went in other threads before to call them out on their ¡°fake¡± lines. But do you really want me to waste both our times for me to go back and search and bump up all those threads that you called out? If you read my comment, I said you did it in others threads AND your own thread which I clearly showed an example to, but you chose to ignore this comment that you posted in your own thread this year:

"Everyone who posts it - if they are on the favorite they simply post -2.5, or if they are on the dog they simply post +3. I think that is disingenuous to what I try to do."

So Let me ask you again... who is this "everyone" that you're referring to? You¡¯ve been ignoring this question.

Please acknowledge this and let¡¯s move on.

I appreciate the time you took to reason with me. This is actually very informative and helps me see the other side. I just have a few questions: can anyone use those sites? Like say for example, you live in a state where sports betting is not legal.

Also, what's the catch? Sometimes it just sounds too good to be true for no juice on either side, like how do these sites make money? And the last question is, can you actually withdraw and get your money and what are the fees? Books like bovada, DK, Caesars are legit and have a good track record of withdrawing but their average juice is -110, which is why I thought that was fair since EVERYONE can access -110 juice sites that pay out. Thanks again for understanding both sides, I'm all about fairness and will always question things when it looks out of the ordinary.