General Motors had an electric car EV1 that was loved by everyone who tested it! Then took everyone of then back ? I¡¯ll leave that to right wing conspirators here!
Back in 2001 GM realized electric car manufacturing was not profitable and abandoned it. Fast forward to 2024 and Ford reports massive losses for every EV sold. Volkswagon's Audi decided to completly close an EV plant in Brussels sparking a massive union protest. Bloomberg; protestors "brandishing placards in support of Audi and calling for an end to Chinese ¡°dumping¡± of industrial products".
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General Motors had an electric car EV1 that was loved by everyone who tested it! Then took everyone of then back ? I¡¯ll leave that to right wing conspirators here!
Back in 2001 GM realized electric car manufacturing was not profitable and abandoned it. Fast forward to 2024 and Ford reports massive losses for every EV sold. Volkswagon's Audi decided to completly close an EV plant in Brussels sparking a massive union protest. Bloomberg; protestors "brandishing placards in support of Audi and calling for an end to Chinese ¡°dumping¡± of industrial products".
Quote Originally Posted by joe pockets: General Motors had an electric car EV1 that was loved by everyone who tested it! Then took everyone of then back ? I¡¯ll leave that to right wing conspirators here! Back in 2001 GM realized electric car manufacturing was not profitable and abandoned it. Fast forward to 2024 and Ford reports massive losses for every EV sold. Volkswagon's Audi decided to completly close an EV plant in Brussels sparking a massive union protest. Bloomberg; protestors "brandishing placards in support of Audi and calling for an end to Chinese ¡°dumping¡± of industrial products".
If successful it would not have been profitable for the oil industry! We can¡¯t support the power now for electric vehicles sure as hell couldn¡¯t support it then
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Quote Originally Posted by joe pockets: General Motors had an electric car EV1 that was loved by everyone who tested it! Then took everyone of then back ? I¡¯ll leave that to right wing conspirators here! Back in 2001 GM realized electric car manufacturing was not profitable and abandoned it. Fast forward to 2024 and Ford reports massive losses for every EV sold. Volkswagon's Audi decided to completly close an EV plant in Brussels sparking a massive union protest. Bloomberg; protestors "brandishing placards in support of Audi and calling for an end to Chinese ¡°dumping¡± of industrial products".
If successful it would not have been profitable for the oil industry! We can¡¯t support the power now for electric vehicles sure as hell couldn¡¯t support it then
@joe pockets George is not in Musks league, Musk is in his own universe regarding wealth That is not the point people have with it. It is NOT who is the RICHEST; it is the fact that it is being done. BEFORE Musk was it a problem IF Soros had been the RICHEST?
Soros is small potato’s ! He nothing but the GOP poster boy for every lost district election, Just like Hunter is the Yang for every republican Ying! JMHO
I think I said this before, but, If George Soros bought a pair of old bowling shoes at Sonia Sotomayor’s garage sale, the right would be losing their collective mind.
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Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:
@joe pockets George is not in Musks league, Musk is in his own universe regarding wealth That is not the point people have with it. It is NOT who is the RICHEST; it is the fact that it is being done. BEFORE Musk was it a problem IF Soros had been the RICHEST?
Soros is small potato’s ! He nothing but the GOP poster boy for every lost district election, Just like Hunter is the Yang for every republican Ying! JMHO
I think I said this before, but, If George Soros bought a pair of old bowling shoes at Sonia Sotomayor’s garage sale, the right would be losing their collective mind.
@joe pockets George is not in Musks league, Musk is in his own universe regarding wealth That is not the point people have with it. It is NOT who is the RICHEST; it is the fact that it is being done. BEFORE Musk was it a problem IF Soros had been the RICHEST?
To me this is the point I think it’s safe to say that for the current crop of Republicans/MAGA in power, they’re entirely in it for money and/or power. And let’s say Russia is happy to help them secure both (for favors, but more likely to just sow chaos), but certainly isn’t the only one…..Wouldn’t you love to know who has the lion share 6 billion of investment in DJT stock that he just pulled 4 billion out to put in trust with Junior in charge of it?….DJT as has never been profitable ? Why don’t the GOP investigate that? Let’s talk about Dark Money!
It’s just that the same current crop (of course including Judge Thomas) have been increasingly uncaring of any effort to keep up appearances, especially when their own do not hold them accountable in ANY way.
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Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:
@joe pockets George is not in Musks league, Musk is in his own universe regarding wealth That is not the point people have with it. It is NOT who is the RICHEST; it is the fact that it is being done. BEFORE Musk was it a problem IF Soros had been the RICHEST?
To me this is the point I think it’s safe to say that for the current crop of Republicans/MAGA in power, they’re entirely in it for money and/or power. And let’s say Russia is happy to help them secure both (for favors, but more likely to just sow chaos), but certainly isn’t the only one…..Wouldn’t you love to know who has the lion share 6 billion of investment in DJT stock that he just pulled 4 billion out to put in trust with Junior in charge of it?….DJT as has never been profitable ? Why don’t the GOP investigate that? Let’s talk about Dark Money!
It’s just that the same current crop (of course including Judge Thomas) have been increasingly uncaring of any effort to keep up appearances, especially when their own do not hold them accountable in ANY way.
Absolutely he is not. Look into his involvement and now his son's.
Soros has a multipronged plan to “heal” America of her supposed sins. His medicine includes “nonpartisan” redistricting, stacking federal courts with left-wing judges, and a “properly conducted” 2020 Census.
All told, between 2000 and 2018 Soros’ foundations spent nearly $8.9 billion, and this year he’s already announced he’ll push $220 million towards “racial justice.”
And:
George Soros’ backed nonprofit invested at least $140 million into politically charged nonprofits just one year before the midterm elections.
Those donations are on top of the more than $170 million Soros personally contributed during the 2022 midterm election cycle to help Democratic campaigns and political action committees.
The Soros nonprofit separately donated approximately $60 million to charitable 501(c)(3)s which are prohibited from participating in politics.
And:
Soros, who personally donated $170 million during the 2022 midterms to Democratic candidates and campaigns on top of that, spread the additional largess through the Open Society Policy Center — a 501(c)(4) nonprofit that falls under the Soros-funded Open Society Foundations network, according to a copy of its 2021 tax filing, which was obtained by CNBC and is the most recent data available. The Open Society Policy Center also doled out $138 million to advocacy groups and causes in 2020. Two of Soros’ children sit on its board, the tax filings and its website show.
He is far from 'small potatoes'! And he has been doing it far longer than many others.
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@joe pockets
Soros is small potato’s
Absolutely he is not. Look into his involvement and now his son's.
Soros has a multipronged plan to “heal” America of her supposed sins. His medicine includes “nonpartisan” redistricting, stacking federal courts with left-wing judges, and a “properly conducted” 2020 Census.
All told, between 2000 and 2018 Soros’ foundations spent nearly $8.9 billion, and this year he’s already announced he’ll push $220 million towards “racial justice.”
And:
George Soros’ backed nonprofit invested at least $140 million into politically charged nonprofits just one year before the midterm elections.
Those donations are on top of the more than $170 million Soros personally contributed during the 2022 midterm election cycle to help Democratic campaigns and political action committees.
The Soros nonprofit separately donated approximately $60 million to charitable 501(c)(3)s which are prohibited from participating in politics.
And:
Soros, who personally donated $170 million during the 2022 midterms to Democratic candidates and campaigns on top of that, spread the additional largess through the Open Society Policy Center — a 501(c)(4) nonprofit that falls under the Soros-funded Open Society Foundations network, according to a copy of its 2021 tax filing, which was obtained by CNBC and is the most recent data available. The Open Society Policy Center also doled out $138 million to advocacy groups and causes in 2020. Two of Soros’ children sit on its board, the tax filings and its website show.
He is far from 'small potatoes'! And he has been doing it far longer than many others.
To me this is the point I think it¡¯s safe to say that for the current crop of Republicans/MAGA in power, they¡¯re entirely in it for money and/or power.
And...? What do you base this on that differentiates them from others?
This is different than others how?
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@joe pockets
To me this is the point I think it¡¯s safe to say that for the current crop of Republicans/MAGA in power, they¡¯re entirely in it for money and/or power.
And...? What do you base this on that differentiates them from others?
And let¡¯s say Russia is happy to help them secure both (for favors, but more likely to just sow chaos), but certainly isn¡¯t the only one¡..Wouldn¡¯t you love to know who has the lion share 6 billion of investment in DJT stock that he just pulled 4 billion out to put in trust with Junior in charge of it?¡.DJT as has never been profitable ? Why don¡¯t the GOP investigate that? Let¡¯s talk about Dark Money!
Huh? How did you get onto Russia?
Huh? Trump already said he had no plans to sell the stock. He did this before when he was in office.
In fact, some have argued everyone in Congress should do this when they go in office.
What is there to investigate? People would be more upset if it looked like he was doing things in his own business interests while in office.
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@joe pockets
And let¡¯s say Russia is happy to help them secure both (for favors, but more likely to just sow chaos), but certainly isn¡¯t the only one¡..Wouldn¡¯t you love to know who has the lion share 6 billion of investment in DJT stock that he just pulled 4 billion out to put in trust with Junior in charge of it?¡.DJT as has never been profitable ? Why don¡¯t the GOP investigate that? Let¡¯s talk about Dark Money!
Huh? How did you get onto Russia?
Huh? Trump already said he had no plans to sell the stock. He did this before when he was in office.
In fact, some have argued everyone in Congress should do this when they go in office.
What is there to investigate? People would be more upset if it looked like he was doing things in his own business interests while in office.
It¡¯s just that the same current crop (of course including Judge Thomas) have been increasingly uncaring of any effort to keep up appearances, especially when their own do not hold them accountable in ANY way.
Yes, maybe so. But that applies to all polticians on both sides.
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@joe pockets
It¡¯s just that the same current crop (of course including Judge Thomas) have been increasingly uncaring of any effort to keep up appearances, especially when their own do not hold them accountable in ANY way.
Yes, maybe so. But that applies to all polticians on both sides.
Soros, who personally donated $170 million during the 2022 midterms to Democratic candidates and campaigns
Musk nearly doubled that and he plans on taking a position of his choice in the administration ? ¡.Sounds like he bought that job to me ? Elon Musk isn¡¯t just a wealthy person he is the most wealthy by a wide margin and he has gone well past just promoting ideas or trying to persuade the public of his personal views; he is literally bypassing democratic processes to directly bully legislators, He holds the power that no collection of individual citizens could ever exercise over sitting legislatures, and he is doing it to enact ¡®policies¡¯ and disrupt governance even before his political benefactor has any actual control but thankfully they will have to raise there own debt limit. What is happening is unprecedented in this country¡¯s history and how it evolves over next 2 years one can only watch and wonder how anyone would think 49.9 % is a mandate to reinvent the wheel that Musk & Trump have espoused ¡This should be interesting ?? to say the least!
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Soros, who personally donated $170 million during the 2022 midterms to Democratic candidates and campaigns
Musk nearly doubled that and he plans on taking a position of his choice in the administration ? ¡.Sounds like he bought that job to me ? Elon Musk isn¡¯t just a wealthy person he is the most wealthy by a wide margin and he has gone well past just promoting ideas or trying to persuade the public of his personal views; he is literally bypassing democratic processes to directly bully legislators, He holds the power that no collection of individual citizens could ever exercise over sitting legislatures, and he is doing it to enact ¡®policies¡¯ and disrupt governance even before his political benefactor has any actual control but thankfully they will have to raise there own debt limit. What is happening is unprecedented in this country¡¯s history and how it evolves over next 2 years one can only watch and wonder how anyone would think 49.9 % is a mandate to reinvent the wheel that Musk & Trump have espoused ¡This should be interesting ?? to say the least!
@joe pockets It¡¯s just that the same current crop (of course including Judge Thomas) have been increasingly uncaring of any effort to keep up appearances, especially when their own do not hold them accountable in ANY way. Yes, maybe so. But that applies to all polticians on both sides.
Is this not grapefruit / raisins comparison? I feel like your toying with this issue¡your better than that bro! Come-on!
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Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:
@joe pockets It¡¯s just that the same current crop (of course including Judge Thomas) have been increasingly uncaring of any effort to keep up appearances, especially when their own do not hold them accountable in ANY way. Yes, maybe so. But that applies to all polticians on both sides.
Is this not grapefruit / raisins comparison? I feel like your toying with this issue¡your better than that bro! Come-on!
The biden administration is the most corruptive and dirtiest this country has ever seen.
Trump is the only president to be impeached twice. C-Span survey of presidential experts rank Trump last in moral authority and pursuit of equal justice for all.
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Quote Originally Posted by scooby-doos:
The biden administration is the most corruptive and dirtiest this country has ever seen.
Trump is the only president to be impeached twice. C-Span survey of presidential experts rank Trump last in moral authority and pursuit of equal justice for all.
Quote Originally Posted by scooby-doos: The biden administration is the most corruptive and dirtiest this country has ever seen. Trump is the only president to be impeached twice. C-Span survey of presidential experts rank Trump last in moral authority and pursuit of equal justice for all.
You might want to put down the shovel.
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Quote Originally Posted by scooby-doos: The biden administration is the most corruptive and dirtiest this country has ever seen. Trump is the only president to be impeached twice. C-Span survey of presidential experts rank Trump last in moral authority and pursuit of equal justice for all.
Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: @joe pockets It¡¯s just that the same current crop (of course including Judge Thomas) have been increasingly uncaring of any effort to keep up appearances, especially when their own do not hold them accountable in ANY way. Yes, maybe so. But that applies to all polticians on both sides. Is this not grapefruit / raisins comparison? I feel like your toying with this issue¡your better than that bro! Come-on!
No sir. I did not make the comparison -- you did.
I am only pointing out that it has been going on for a long time. But now the Left has decided that is a terrible thing and that it was okay when Soros and other were doing it. You have several on both sides that have been doing it for a long time. Millions and millions over several election cycles. When you reach several 10s of millions and even hundreds of millions -- the matter of show is doing the 'most' should NOT be the main concern.
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@joe pockets
Quote Originally Posted by joe pockets:
Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: @joe pockets It¡¯s just that the same current crop (of course including Judge Thomas) have been increasingly uncaring of any effort to keep up appearances, especially when their own do not hold them accountable in ANY way. Yes, maybe so. But that applies to all polticians on both sides. Is this not grapefruit / raisins comparison? I feel like your toying with this issue¡your better than that bro! Come-on!
No sir. I did not make the comparison -- you did.
I am only pointing out that it has been going on for a long time. But now the Left has decided that is a terrible thing and that it was okay when Soros and other were doing it. You have several on both sides that have been doing it for a long time. Millions and millions over several election cycles. When you reach several 10s of millions and even hundreds of millions -- the matter of show is doing the 'most' should NOT be the main concern.
What is happening is unprecedented in this country¡¯s history and how it evolves over next 2 years one can only watch and wonder how anyone would think 49.9 % is a mandate to reinvent the wheel that Musk & Trump have espoused ¡This should be interesting ?? to say the least!
Laying aside what determines any person's idea of a 'mandate' AND who is in office, do you think the things they are talking about NEED to be addressed or not?
If not, why not; if so, what would you rather see done to fix them?
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@joe pockets
What is happening is unprecedented in this country¡¯s history and how it evolves over next 2 years one can only watch and wonder how anyone would think 49.9 % is a mandate to reinvent the wheel that Musk & Trump have espoused ¡This should be interesting ?? to say the least!
Laying aside what determines any person's idea of a 'mandate' AND who is in office, do you think the things they are talking about NEED to be addressed or not?
If not, why not; if so, what would you rather see done to fix them?
It depends on what items that looking at! Border¡absolutely, Inflation¡It was an inevitable problem for either party that inflation would affect the USA it affects the world today in many places worse! It will pass ! Woke ..Is not more then a catchall like Hoax for everything non MAGA ! ¡ª woke or not, real or not ¡ª it hated about the left! What else needs to be addressed by the Right or should I say MAGA party lower taxes, More loop holes, less oversight, Less regulations like repeal of climate initiatives..What else is there ?
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@Raiders22
It depends on what items that looking at! Border¡absolutely, Inflation¡It was an inevitable problem for either party that inflation would affect the USA it affects the world today in many places worse! It will pass ! Woke ..Is not more then a catchall like Hoax for everything non MAGA ! ¡ª woke or not, real or not ¡ª it hated about the left! What else needs to be addressed by the Right or should I say MAGA party lower taxes, More loop holes, less oversight, Less regulations like repeal of climate initiatives..What else is there ?
I do not think it is inflation that much. I agree that was happening anyway. I also say it is coming again.
I do not think it is woke. That is just a radical Left movement now.
I am not asking about taxes or regulatory things.
More I am asking about government inefficiency and debt and budget items that they are looking to streamline. That is his main 'gig' or whatever you want to call it.
What are your thoughts on that?
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@joe pockets
I do not think it is inflation that much. I agree that was happening anyway. I also say it is coming again.
I do not think it is woke. That is just a radical Left movement now.
I am not asking about taxes or regulatory things.
More I am asking about government inefficiency and debt and budget items that they are looking to streamline. That is his main 'gig' or whatever you want to call it.
What is the 'tax cuts for billionaires' that you seem worried about?
Trump 2017 tax act delivered one of the largest tax cuts for the super rich in US history. Richest 0.1% of Americans received a tax cut 277 times larger than that of middle class households. Adding billions to federal deficits while failing to increase economic growth. Now greedy billionaires want to preserve their massive windfall. Due to decades of tax cuts, there isn't enough revenue for US investment needs and social programs. However extending dangerous tax cuts would do more damage.
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Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:
What is the 'tax cuts for billionaires' that you seem worried about?
Trump 2017 tax act delivered one of the largest tax cuts for the super rich in US history. Richest 0.1% of Americans received a tax cut 277 times larger than that of middle class households. Adding billions to federal deficits while failing to increase economic growth. Now greedy billionaires want to preserve their massive windfall. Due to decades of tax cuts, there isn't enough revenue for US investment needs and social programs. However extending dangerous tax cuts would do more damage.
@unplucked_gem Cute.. Musk has no EV company without ZIRP, carbon credits and federal tax freebies. Do a teeny bit of research and understand that without the debt spending of the federal government, Tesla never makes it and EV would be still limping along probably by a company like Fisker or Nissan/Toyota. Musk is the last person in this country that should be complaining about the government, the taxpayer and debt holder has created BILLIONS in net worth for Musk.
It's funny how the left only turned on Musk after he became buddies with Trump. Just wondering if you had these same thoughts before Musk and Trump became a pair? I could go back and look at the threads, but there's too many posts with non sense HEADLINES with 0 context that I'd be searching for awhile through garbage.
Maybe EVs should have never been pushed on the public so while you want to blame Musk, maybe your frustration should be on the fed gov?? What's the saying? "Don't hate the player, hate the game"?
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Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:
@unplucked_gem Cute.. Musk has no EV company without ZIRP, carbon credits and federal tax freebies. Do a teeny bit of research and understand that without the debt spending of the federal government, Tesla never makes it and EV would be still limping along probably by a company like Fisker or Nissan/Toyota. Musk is the last person in this country that should be complaining about the government, the taxpayer and debt holder has created BILLIONS in net worth for Musk.
It's funny how the left only turned on Musk after he became buddies with Trump. Just wondering if you had these same thoughts before Musk and Trump became a pair? I could go back and look at the threads, but there's too many posts with non sense HEADLINES with 0 context that I'd be searching for awhile through garbage.
Maybe EVs should have never been pushed on the public so while you want to blame Musk, maybe your frustration should be on the fed gov?? What's the saying? "Don't hate the player, hate the game"?
Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: What is the 'tax cuts for billionaires' that you seem worried about? Trump 2017 tax act delivered one of the largest tax cuts for the super rich in US history. Richest 0.1% of Americans received a tax cut 277 times larger than that of middle class households. Adding billions to federal deficits while failing to increase economic growth. Now greedy billionaires want to preserve their massive windfall. Due to decades of tax cuts, there isn't enough revenue for US investment needs and social programs. However extending dangerous tax cuts would do more damage.
All nonsense
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Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:
Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: What is the 'tax cuts for billionaires' that you seem worried about? Trump 2017 tax act delivered one of the largest tax cuts for the super rich in US history. Richest 0.1% of Americans received a tax cut 277 times larger than that of middle class households. Adding billions to federal deficits while failing to increase economic growth. Now greedy billionaires want to preserve their massive windfall. Due to decades of tax cuts, there isn't enough revenue for US investment needs and social programs. However extending dangerous tax cuts would do more damage.
Correct. It is not just the EVs -- BUT the forcing of the credits on the companies.
This is the scam the Left has always run. You can go back to see it done with the lead credits, the CFC credits, etc.
Even the CDM, not only allowed, BUT encouraged trading those credits and then trading those credits between countries.
It is a scam and always will be.
If you 'force' these on folks making EVs and the ones that cannot make enough of them go to Tesla to buy the credits -- you cannot fault Tesla for not turning down this money. Tesla ONLY makes EVs -- so they will always have a surplus of them.
The government(s) have done this all wrong.
Absolutely, the Left loved Musk as long as he was ONLY a EV car guy and kept quiet.
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@BigGame90
Correct. It is not just the EVs -- BUT the forcing of the credits on the companies.
This is the scam the Left has always run. You can go back to see it done with the lead credits, the CFC credits, etc.
Even the CDM, not only allowed, BUT encouraged trading those credits and then trading those credits between countries.
It is a scam and always will be.
If you 'force' these on folks making EVs and the ones that cannot make enough of them go to Tesla to buy the credits -- you cannot fault Tesla for not turning down this money. Tesla ONLY makes EVs -- so they will always have a surplus of them.
The government(s) have done this all wrong.
Absolutely, the Left loved Musk as long as he was ONLY a EV car guy and kept quiet.
Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: What is the 'tax cuts for billionaires' that you seem worried about? Trump 2017 tax act delivered one of the largest tax cuts for the super rich in US history. Richest 0.1% of Americans received a tax cut 277 times larger than that of middle class households. Adding billions to federal deficits while failing to increase economic growth. Now greedy billionaires want to preserve their massive windfall. Due to decades of tax cuts, there isn't enough revenue for US investment needs and social programs. However extending dangerous tax cuts would do more damage. All nonsense
So you don¡¯t think it¡¯s time to start rethinking economic regulations. Or make a tax code where it is comprehensible to a layman. ? It wouldn¡¯t be hard! Why don¡¯t Republicans like Musk, & Trump stand on there bully pulpit and tell there minions these changes make the system crystal clear and they will know for sure that everyone is paying their fair share of taxes!
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Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:
Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: What is the 'tax cuts for billionaires' that you seem worried about? Trump 2017 tax act delivered one of the largest tax cuts for the super rich in US history. Richest 0.1% of Americans received a tax cut 277 times larger than that of middle class households. Adding billions to federal deficits while failing to increase economic growth. Now greedy billionaires want to preserve their massive windfall. Due to decades of tax cuts, there isn't enough revenue for US investment needs and social programs. However extending dangerous tax cuts would do more damage. All nonsense
So you don¡¯t think it¡¯s time to start rethinking economic regulations. Or make a tax code where it is comprehensible to a layman. ? It wouldn¡¯t be hard! Why don¡¯t Republicans like Musk, & Trump stand on there bully pulpit and tell there minions these changes make the system crystal clear and they will know for sure that everyone is paying their fair share of taxes!
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I feel like your toying with this issue¡your better than that bro! Come-on!
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