Caleb has been better at home than on road and yes you are right Seattle has been better on road. Bears offensive line has been a disaster this year and they just lost LT and LG for this game.
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Caleb has been better at home than on road and yes you are right Seattle has been better on road. Bears offensive line has been a disaster this year and they just lost LT and LG for this game.
Why anyone would take the Bears They are on a long losing streak Seattle needs to win to stay alive.. All of a sudden the Bears show up to knock off the Seahawks out of playoff contention Or you think that Seattle cannot win by more then 3? Seahawks or no play here.. I personally don't want to bet this game but might have something small just to watch
Upsets always possible, is one.
Backdoor covers even more possible is two.
And #3 reason is an age old wisdom:
"If it looks too good to be true ... "
Vegas and books around the world offering this game seem to center around a line of 3.5 or 4.0 (give or take depending on incoming $$$ at any particular sportsbook)
There are typically very good reasons why Vegas did NOT initially come out with SEATTLE as a 2 TD fav, or even a 1 TD fav.
I listed 3 of mine.
Vegas likely had many more.
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Quote Originally Posted by HabsHater88:
Why anyone would take the Bears They are on a long losing streak Seattle needs to win to stay alive.. All of a sudden the Bears show up to knock off the Seahawks out of playoff contention Or you think that Seattle cannot win by more then 3? Seahawks or no play here.. I personally don't want to bet this game but might have something small just to watch
Upsets always possible, is one.
Backdoor covers even more possible is two.
And #3 reason is an age old wisdom:
"If it looks too good to be true ... "
Vegas and books around the world offering this game seem to center around a line of 3.5 or 4.0 (give or take depending on incoming $$$ at any particular sportsbook)
There are typically very good reasons why Vegas did NOT initially come out with SEATTLE as a 2 TD fav, or even a 1 TD fav.
Because the Hawks do not need this game, no matter what they have to beat the Rams IF the Rams lose sunday....if the Rams win Sunday it's over, if the Rams lose Sunday it still falls on the last game....this game means nothing....
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Because the Hawks do not need this game, no matter what they have to beat the Rams IF the Rams lose sunday....if the Rams win Sunday it's over, if the Rams lose Sunday it still falls on the last game....this game means nothing....
Because the Hawks do not need this game, no matter what they have to beat the Rams IF the Rams lose sunday....if the Rams win Sunday it's over, if the Rams lose Sunday it still falls on the last game....this game means nothing....
But this game is on Thursday. You think the Seahawks don't try hard because the Rams play on Sunday?
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Quote Originally Posted by JUSTWINBABY61:
Because the Hawks do not need this game, no matter what they have to beat the Rams IF the Rams lose sunday....if the Rams win Sunday it's over, if the Rams lose Sunday it still falls on the last game....this game means nothing....
But this game is on Thursday. You think the Seahawks don't try hard because the Rams play on Sunday?
I agree with you but here's the crazy scenario but plausible for the Rams to clinch before week 18:
Seahawks beat Bears on Thursday night
Rams beat Cardinals on Saturday night
If both those things happen, the Rams could still clinch the NFC West this week, but they'd have to clinch the strength of victory tiebreaker. For that to happen, the Rams would need to get at least 3.5 wins from the following six teams:
I agree with you but here's the crazy scenario but plausible for the Rams to clinch before week 18:
Seahawks beat Bears on Thursday night
Rams beat Cardinals on Saturday night
If both those things happen, the Rams could still clinch the NFC West this week, but they'd have to clinch the strength of victory tiebreaker. For that to happen, the Rams would need to get at least 3.5 wins from the following six teams:
I'm just saying this game has no effect on anything for Seattle, maybe they rest up for the Rams game? No telling with their coach who I think sucks as a HC.
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@undermysac
I'm just saying this game has no effect on anything for Seattle, maybe they rest up for the Rams game? No telling with their coach who I think sucks as a HC.
My model has this as a pick em with my book's current line at 4.
So it should be a no play or Chicago ML, if inclined (which I'm not).
Situationally subjective handicapping, I agree with you. Motivation favors Seattle as does away record of 5-1 and league trends for away favs (72.9% S/U and 58.2% ATS). The Bears have been dreadful and did show much fight the last few times out, especially for a divisional game.
I play numbers / value and not teams to stave off Chicago ML mockery in advance.
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My model has this as a pick em with my book's current line at 4.
So it should be a no play or Chicago ML, if inclined (which I'm not).
Situationally subjective handicapping, I agree with you. Motivation favors Seattle as does away record of 5-1 and league trends for away favs (72.9% S/U and 58.2% ATS). The Bears have been dreadful and did show much fight the last few times out, especially for a divisional game.
I play numbers / value and not teams to stave off Chicago ML mockery in advance.
@undermysac I'm just saying this game has no effect on anything for Seattle, maybe they rest up for the Rams game? No telling with their coach who I think sucks as a HC.
Possibly, who knows. At least they have 10 days rest in pocket following today's game.
Good luck
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Quote Originally Posted by JUSTWINBABY61:
@undermysac I'm just saying this game has no effect on anything for Seattle, maybe they rest up for the Rams game? No telling with their coach who I think sucks as a HC.
Possibly, who knows. At least they have 10 days rest in pocket following today's game.
In general, "system plays", over an extended period of time, do little more than break even and, in fact, customarily, (eventually) empty out a limited bankroll.
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@HabsHater88
In general, "system plays", over an extended period of time, do little more than break even and, in fact, customarily, (eventually) empty out a limited bankroll.
IMO there are a couple of things working against the Hawks
Geno has a knee injury and if he gets knocked out then it¡¯s Sam Howell who hasn¡¯t looked very good at all
bears skill players > hawks skill players¡¡which means they at least have the potential to win or cover
season turnover differential
hawks -7
bears +8
Bears could easily be +2 turnovers in this game, which could be the difference
Bears have lost last 3 games by DD, an avg of 20 pts/game. If they lose tonight, they will have two 10 game losing streaks in the last 3 seasons. It makes me wonder who will have more motivation + better energy in this game? Will pride be a factor?
Those are the best reasons I can think of to take the Bears.
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IMO there are a couple of things working against the Hawks
Geno has a knee injury and if he gets knocked out then it¡¯s Sam Howell who hasn¡¯t looked very good at all
bears skill players > hawks skill players¡¡which means they at least have the potential to win or cover
season turnover differential
hawks -7
bears +8
Bears could easily be +2 turnovers in this game, which could be the difference
Bears have lost last 3 games by DD, an avg of 20 pts/game. If they lose tonight, they will have two 10 game losing streaks in the last 3 seasons. It makes me wonder who will have more motivation + better energy in this game? Will pride be a factor?
Those are the best reasons I can think of to take the Bears.
@HabsHater88In general, "system plays", over an extended period of time, do little more than break even and, in fact, customarily, (eventually) empty out a limited bankroll.
Lol
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Quote Originally Posted by gmcsports:
@HabsHater88In general, "system plays", over an extended period of time, do little more than break even and, in fact, customarily, (eventually) empty out a limited bankroll.
Because the Hawks do not need this game, no matter what they have to beat the Rams IF the Rams lose sunday....if the Rams win Sunday it's over, if the Rams lose Sunday it still falls on the last game....this game means nothing....
Last I saw they are playing tonight and the Rams are playing Saturday so your telling me they won't try and win tonight and hope the Rams lose..
How the F does this not mean anything.. if the Rams already played and won ok I get it..
Bengals have slim playoff hopes too you don't think they will try and beat the Broncos.. eventho they know in the back of their heads KC clinched everything and will rest their starters at some point in the game vs the Broncos..
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Quote Originally Posted by JUSTWINBABY61:
Because the Hawks do not need this game, no matter what they have to beat the Rams IF the Rams lose sunday....if the Rams win Sunday it's over, if the Rams lose Sunday it still falls on the last game....this game means nothing....
Last I saw they are playing tonight and the Rams are playing Saturday so your telling me they won't try and win tonight and hope the Rams lose..
How the F does this not mean anything.. if the Rams already played and won ok I get it..
Bengals have slim playoff hopes too you don't think they will try and beat the Broncos.. eventho they know in the back of their heads KC clinched everything and will rest their starters at some point in the game vs the Broncos..
ok 1st off lets look at the recent ats results which i chart every week i use a zero line in middle every line is 5 points up t o +45 or down to negative 45 seatlle is headed up at
-1/2 point bears also up from -22 -11 as +6.5 dog lions disposed of them in chicago
last 3 losses bears gave up 38 + 30 +39 ugly trend in the play book Bears are 0-8 after allowing more than 35 pts vs conf. opp
guess what it's like they are in same div lately seattle last 2 games home vs packers lo st 14- 30 vs vikings alsmost won 24- 27 as +2.5 dog vs packers only +2.5 home dog they lost after 4 wins in a row lost 13-30 omg seatkle also played in detroit mmf after baeting up 3 scrubs denver pats miami +3.5 dog chrushed 42-29
in short seattle or nothing mayybe drop spread to 2.5 or go mhigher after handicapping ats brb with results
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ok 1st off lets look at the recent ats results which i chart every week i use a zero line in middle every line is 5 points up t o +45 or down to negative 45 seatlle is headed up at
-1/2 point bears also up from -22 -11 as +6.5 dog lions disposed of them in chicago
last 3 losses bears gave up 38 + 30 +39 ugly trend in the play book Bears are 0-8 after allowing more than 35 pts vs conf. opp
guess what it's like they are in same div lately seattle last 2 games home vs packers lo st 14- 30 vs vikings alsmost won 24- 27 as +2.5 dog vs packers only +2.5 home dog they lost after 4 wins in a row lost 13-30 omg seatkle also played in detroit mmf after baeting up 3 scrubs denver pats miami +3.5 dog chrushed 42-29
in short seattle or nothing mayybe drop spread to 2.5 or go mhigher after handicapping ats brb with results
Quote Originally Posted by JUSTWINBABY61: Because the Hawks do not need this game, no matter what they have to beat the Rams IF the Rams lose sunday....if the Rams win Sunday it's over, if the Rams lose Sunday it still falls on the last game....this game means nothing.... But this game is on Thursday. You think the Seahawks don't try hard because the Rams play on Sunday?
I know right
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Quote Originally Posted by undermysac:
Quote Originally Posted by JUSTWINBABY61: Because the Hawks do not need this game, no matter what they have to beat the Rams IF the Rams lose sunday....if the Rams win Sunday it's over, if the Rams lose Sunday it still falls on the last game....this game means nothing.... But this game is on Thursday. You think the Seahawks don't try hard because the Rams play on Sunday?
well seattle is - 1 p0iny n season 339 mfor 340 against vears -54 points whi divde by 15 games = -4 ppg spread is dead on bears go to 0 seattle is -4 is geno smiytj back in
thats a tough question his knee injury was bad let me check injury reports else wheere
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well seattle is - 1 p0iny n season 339 mfor 340 against vears -54 points whi divde by 15 games = -4 ppg spread is dead on bears go to 0 seattle is -4 is geno smiytj back in
thats a tough question his knee injury was bad let me check injury reports else wheere
GB last Monday night and the Ravens looked too go to be true. They put money on the floor, all we had to do was pick it up and not question it.
Houston had 0 to play for yesterday, did it look like it? We analyze to the point of paralysis at times. New Orleans didn't have any players or a coach on the road in the cold in a game they couldn't care less about. Shocking result huh? I can live with getting beat by the Bears but I can't live with losing on the Bears.
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GB last Monday night and the Ravens looked too go to be true. They put money on the floor, all we had to do was pick it up and not question it.
Houston had 0 to play for yesterday, did it look like it? We analyze to the point of paralysis at times. New Orleans didn't have any players or a coach on the road in the cold in a game they couldn't care less about. Shocking result huh? I can live with getting beat by the Bears but I can't live with losing on the Bears.
Why anyone would take the Bears They are on a long losing streak Seattle needs to win to stay alive.. All of a sudden the Bears show up to knock off the Seahawks out of playoff contention Or you think that Seattle cannot win by more then 3? Seahawks or no play here.. I personally don't want to bet this game but might have something small just to watch
Needing to win means you aren't good enough to be in a position to avoid that scenario. Not betting the game, just pointing out that is one of the biggest fallacies i see used over and over in handicapping.
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Quote Originally Posted by HabsHater88:
Why anyone would take the Bears They are on a long losing streak Seattle needs to win to stay alive.. All of a sudden the Bears show up to knock off the Seahawks out of playoff contention Or you think that Seattle cannot win by more then 3? Seahawks or no play here.. I personally don't want to bet this game but might have something small just to watch
Needing to win means you aren't good enough to be in a position to avoid that scenario. Not betting the game, just pointing out that is one of the biggest fallacies i see used over and over in handicapping.
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