Ok, for a few years here me and my good friend (the poster formerly known as ChanceP) have been vigorously trying to rid the board of all the stories, exaggerations, lies, and just false unproven claims regarding the legitimacy of online poker.
For the record, YES, collusion happens, yes there has been superuser scandals. People cheat everywhere, live and online and not just in poker. However, my beef here is that none of you have lost any $ to a superuser and none of you have been "screwed" out of you money and the site is NOT "programmng the hands" to determine who wins and loses.
The cheating thing I understand people being concerned about but the "rigging" theories are just so ridiculous, as proven by "gunners" when he lays out actually how these "programs" would have to work, its just ridiculous to think that way after the way gunners explains it. But hey, it cant just be youre not as good as you think right??? of course not
So anyways, a year or so ago ChanceP offered a challenge to make one of you rigtards a winner online and if he couldnt he'd pay you $500. Well, to noones surprise, all the rigtards bitched out cuz then their shitty game woulda been exposed. But all the rigtards are still here debating their case!!! Go figure. Dodge the challenge yet still act liek your opinion means anything, ya whatever
Basically I dont feel you guys are bad guys. I used to feel this way about online too. Basically its just you dont have a good enough understanding of odds, probability, and how big/small your edges really are. Im sure a lot of you feel AK is a 90% favorite over AQ and that 66 is a 75% favorite over AK. Or when a flush gets hit on you you probably really think you got "fucked." Or if AA loses twice in a row it has to be rigged, "OMG my aces lost twice in a row" although by the time you tell the story here its usually "OMG my aces lost 10 times in a row!!!!"
So heres what I want to do to prove that online is beatable and that the issue here is your guys games, not the site
I am going to take $100 and turn it into $600, a $500 profit. Big deal, the site always gives you cards at first you rigtards say right????
Ok then, after I get to $600 I am going to cash out $500 leaving me with just $100. Then I am going to turn it into $600 AGAIN!! Surely the cashout curse is gonna get me now right????
I can do this on electricladylnd or ChanceP can do it on Floppy McShove. However I know a lot of you feel we work for fulltilt (talk about desperate to make something up) so, we would even be willing to do this ON YOUR ACCOUNT just to show you that your account is not rigged!!! and that youre the problem!!!!
Ya I can hear you now, "Im not letting you log onto my account", and "thats multiaccounting!!!!" and if you wanna go that route then just keep thinking its rigged and keep losing $. But honestly, instead of the fuck you-fuck me, youre an idiot game weve been playing for months were never gonna get anywhere with this. So how about I or ChanceP gets on to one of your accounts (you dont have any $ on there so who cares) and wins $ and shows you its possible.
I know all you guys WANT to be winners at poker, thats undeniable. Theres no quicker and more comfortable way (u can do it at home) than to make $ playing poker online. Why not take a look and see how we do it? Surely you all dont really believe were fulltilt employees and have "lucky accounts."
So our accounts or, if you feel ours are rigged "lucky", then we can use yours.
Not the best idea in the world but I feel its a start to try and prove to you guys that the issue here is YOU, not riggedness
Thoughts? Suggestions?
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Ok, for a few years here me and my good friend (the poster formerly known as ChanceP) have been vigorously trying to rid the board of all the stories, exaggerations, lies, and just false unproven claims regarding the legitimacy of online poker.
For the record, YES, collusion happens, yes there has been superuser scandals. People cheat everywhere, live and online and not just in poker. However, my beef here is that none of you have lost any $ to a superuser and none of you have been "screwed" out of you money and the site is NOT "programmng the hands" to determine who wins and loses.
The cheating thing I understand people being concerned about but the "rigging" theories are just so ridiculous, as proven by "gunners" when he lays out actually how these "programs" would have to work, its just ridiculous to think that way after the way gunners explains it. But hey, it cant just be youre not as good as you think right??? of course not
So anyways, a year or so ago ChanceP offered a challenge to make one of you rigtards a winner online and if he couldnt he'd pay you $500. Well, to noones surprise, all the rigtards bitched out cuz then their shitty game woulda been exposed. But all the rigtards are still here debating their case!!! Go figure. Dodge the challenge yet still act liek your opinion means anything, ya whatever
Basically I dont feel you guys are bad guys. I used to feel this way about online too. Basically its just you dont have a good enough understanding of odds, probability, and how big/small your edges really are. Im sure a lot of you feel AK is a 90% favorite over AQ and that 66 is a 75% favorite over AK. Or when a flush gets hit on you you probably really think you got "fucked." Or if AA loses twice in a row it has to be rigged, "OMG my aces lost twice in a row" although by the time you tell the story here its usually "OMG my aces lost 10 times in a row!!!!"
So heres what I want to do to prove that online is beatable and that the issue here is your guys games, not the site
I am going to take $100 and turn it into $600, a $500 profit. Big deal, the site always gives you cards at first you rigtards say right????
Ok then, after I get to $600 I am going to cash out $500 leaving me with just $100. Then I am going to turn it into $600 AGAIN!! Surely the cashout curse is gonna get me now right????
I can do this on electricladylnd or ChanceP can do it on Floppy McShove. However I know a lot of you feel we work for fulltilt (talk about desperate to make something up) so, we would even be willing to do this ON YOUR ACCOUNT just to show you that your account is not rigged!!! and that youre the problem!!!!
Ya I can hear you now, "Im not letting you log onto my account", and "thats multiaccounting!!!!" and if you wanna go that route then just keep thinking its rigged and keep losing $. But honestly, instead of the fuck you-fuck me, youre an idiot game weve been playing for months were never gonna get anywhere with this. So how about I or ChanceP gets on to one of your accounts (you dont have any $ on there so who cares) and wins $ and shows you its possible.
I know all you guys WANT to be winners at poker, thats undeniable. Theres no quicker and more comfortable way (u can do it at home) than to make $ playing poker online. Why not take a look and see how we do it? Surely you all dont really believe were fulltilt employees and have "lucky accounts."
So our accounts or, if you feel ours are rigged "lucky", then we can use yours.
Not the best idea in the world but I feel its a start to try and prove to you guys that the issue here is YOU, not riggedness
I am now not alone in the fight against online riggedness retardedness!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Take us up on the challenge. I can play on your account. ChanceP can play on your account. Bankroll101 can play on your account (yes he is OBV a friend of mine and in on this). If we lose we'll give you $100 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO LOSE???
$100 IF WE LOSE TO YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I am now not alone in the fight against online riggedness retardedness!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Take us up on the challenge. I can play on your account. ChanceP can play on your account. Bankroll101 can play on your account (yes he is OBV a friend of mine and in on this). If we lose we'll give you $100 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You don't have to prove that online is beatable. I think some people feel that it is unbeatable everytime they play and that simply isn't the case, just like in real life, that is why they complain.
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You don't have to prove that online is beatable. I think some people feel that it is unbeatable everytime they play and that simply isn't the case, just like in real life, that is why they complain.
The 'rigtards' are the reason that the good players make money. Why help? I'm glad people think it's rigged, yet continue to pump their dead money into the online poker economy. It makes my life easier.
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The 'rigtards' are the reason that the good players make money. Why help? I'm glad people think it's rigged, yet continue to pump their dead money into the online poker economy. It makes my life easier.
The 'rigtards' are the reason that the good players make money. Why help? I'm glad people think it's rigged, yet continue to pump their dead money into the online poker economy. It makes my life easier.
another dreamer living in his fantasy world. Also, please tell, dude or chick?????
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Quote Originally Posted by DannoDanger:
The 'rigtards' are the reason that the good players make money. Why help? I'm glad people think it's rigged, yet continue to pump their dead money into the online poker economy. It makes my life easier.
another dreamer living in his fantasy world. Also, please tell, dude or chick?????
I have a Poker Bot that plays limit holdem while I sleep. I turn the bot on right before bed. Play 2 tables at 1/2 limit and earn around 1,000 FP points on Poker stars a day. I also average 80 bux a night.
You should do that. It's the easiest way to win.
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I have a Poker Bot that plays limit holdem while I sleep. I turn the bot on right before bed. Play 2 tables at 1/2 limit and earn around 1,000 FP points on Poker stars a day. I also average 80 bux a night.
I have a Poker Bot that plays limit holdem while I sleep. I turn the bot on right before bed. Play 2 tables at 1/2 limit and earn around 1,000 FP points on Poker stars a day. I also average 80 bux a night.
You should do that. It's the easiest way to win.
i definitely believe that, where can i get the "bot program"?
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Quote Originally Posted by SuperiorInsight:
I have a Poker Bot that plays limit holdem while I sleep. I turn the bot on right before bed. Play 2 tables at 1/2 limit and earn around 1,000 FP points on Poker stars a day. I also average 80 bux a night.
You should do that. It's the easiest way to win.
i definitely believe that, where can i get the "bot program"?
There are a few out there. I use Poker Android. You can adjust your bot to exactly detail on how you want it to play. Adjust each and every hand in every position.
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There are a few out there. I use Poker Android. You can adjust your bot to exactly detail on how you want it to play. Adjust each and every hand in every position.
this dumb idiot is so stupid. i play poker live against some of the best players in florida every day and make tons of money i go online dont make crap its rigged u idiot. Anyone that says its not rigged is working for the site itself or doesn't sit first as chancep always said he sits and waits and checks every opponent on sharkscope but who has the time to do that crap its all a scam . save ur money play live its much more profitable.
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this dumb idiot is so stupid. i play poker live against some of the best players in florida every day and make tons of money i go online dont make crap its rigged u idiot. Anyone that says its not rigged is working for the site itself or doesn't sit first as chancep always said he sits and waits and checks every opponent on sharkscope but who has the time to do that crap its all a scam . save ur money play live its much more profitable.
thats what some of these sites do they use poker android type software so they have 6 bots at at table that are superaggressive so get ur money all in so its u versus 6 crazy bots wonder whose gonna get the money the scam site ding.u lose
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thats what some of these sites do they use poker android type software so they have 6 bots at at table that are superaggressive so get ur money all in so its u versus 6 crazy bots wonder whose gonna get the money the scam site ding.u lose
I have a Poker Bot that plays limit holdem while I sleep. I turn the bot on right before bed. Play 2 tables at 1/2 limit and earn around 1,000 FP points on Poker stars a day. I also average 80 bux a night.
You should do that. It's the easiest way to win.
Ya . . .. . . . sure dude
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Quote Originally Posted by SuperiorInsight:
I have a Poker Bot that plays limit holdem while I sleep. I turn the bot on right before bed. Play 2 tables at 1/2 limit and earn around 1,000 FP points on Poker stars a day. I also average 80 bux a night.
The 'rigtards' are the reason that the good players make money. Why help? I'm glad people think it's rigged, yet continue to pump their dead money into the online poker economy. It makes my life easier.
I agree. Why should I try and enlighten these losing players?
Keep blaming the sites and I'll keep winning guys.
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Quote Originally Posted by DannoDanger:
The 'rigtards' are the reason that the good players make money. Why help? I'm glad people think it's rigged, yet continue to pump their dead money into the online poker economy. It makes my life easier.
I agree. Why should I try and enlighten these losing players?
Keep blaming the sites and I'll keep winning guys.
I agree. Why should I try and enlighten these losing players?
Keep blaming the sites and I'll keep winning guys.
electric.....your commitment to this cause is un-wavering. I'm not really sure why you have such a religous conviction for trying to get folks to believe online is not-rigged.
If people think it's rigged, who gives a fuck? Does it really matter? What is accomplished if you succeed in "showing" them that you can make money and that the reason they are losing is because they suck? Maybe then they realize they are bad at poker and quit playing online AND live? People who believe the sites are rigged aren't going to change their opinion and it is their right to have those opinions.....Either way, they probably aren't playing online anymore, regardless of what you "prove" to them......just not sure why you are zealous in your pursuit of this cause.
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Quote Originally Posted by electricladylnd:
I agree. Why should I try and enlighten these losing players?
Keep blaming the sites and I'll keep winning guys.
electric.....your commitment to this cause is un-wavering. I'm not really sure why you have such a religous conviction for trying to get folks to believe online is not-rigged.
If people think it's rigged, who gives a fuck? Does it really matter? What is accomplished if you succeed in "showing" them that you can make money and that the reason they are losing is because they suck? Maybe then they realize they are bad at poker and quit playing online AND live? People who believe the sites are rigged aren't going to change their opinion and it is their right to have those opinions.....Either way, they probably aren't playing online anymore, regardless of what you "prove" to them......just not sure why you are zealous in your pursuit of this cause.
electric.....your commitment to this cause is un-wavering. I'm not really sure why you have such a religous conviction for trying to get folks to believe online is not-rigged.
If people think it's rigged, who gives a fuck? Does it really matter? What is accomplished if you succeed in "showing" them that you can make money and that the reason they are losing is because they suck? Maybe then they realize they are bad at poker and quit playing online AND live? People who believe the sites are rigged aren't going to change their opinion and it is their right to have those opinions.....Either way, they probably aren't playing online anymore, regardless of what you "prove" to them......just not sure why you are zealous in your pursuit of this cause.
Your post is spot on about pretty much everything. Why should I care that these self-proclaimed good players think its rigged??? Its a good point and youre right, I shouldnt even care. The reasons I do care though is this :
First, Ive been around covers/wagerline for ages, longer than my reg date. I was "POWERPICKS" back on the old wagerline YEARS ago. The bottom line is if any of these sites were programming the hands itd have been exposed by now. I just hate to see people come on here and JUST COMPLETELY 100% MAKE SHIT UP about online poker, it just drives me nuts. The same way the "this game was fixed" guy drives me nuts on the football boards. Thats all personal reasons
The bigger reason is we (internet poker players) are all together in a big fight trying to make it 100% legal. The argument here is if its "game of skill" or not, which it CLEARLY is. However, we have all these novice excuse making poker players who are flat out MAKING SHIT UP about online poker making it look terrible. Then all the non poker players start believing all the LIES because they just consider it "gambling" and a "casino game" so how could it be anything but luck??? which is total bullshit. Then the masses of ignorant losing players start telling lie after lie, fairy tale after fairy tale, and the growing bad attitude towards online poker just grows and grows and grows, all on bullshit.
So basically the fight to make online poker legal is gonna be hard enough of a fight to win. Then when theres just countless FALSE accusations it hurts "the cause." People are so misinformed and are just so dead wrong about how online poker (and poker in general) for that matter that the common opinion of poker is that its just like blackjack and craps, which anyone who knows anything knows that laughable. But these rigtards will tell anyone who will listen its exactly the same. Plus they also dont understand that a site make money differently with poker as opposed to blackjack.
So all in all basically all the rigtards lies are hurting the chances of it ever becoming legal, thats my issue
Also, every single hand is tracked on all the major sites. Its all right there in the numbers, if something was "up" itd have been proven but it hasnt. But since some guys arent good enough to win online they wanna tear down the whole industry cuz hey "if they cant win it must be rigged"
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Quote Originally Posted by mmac66:
electric.....your commitment to this cause is un-wavering. I'm not really sure why you have such a religous conviction for trying to get folks to believe online is not-rigged.
If people think it's rigged, who gives a fuck? Does it really matter? What is accomplished if you succeed in "showing" them that you can make money and that the reason they are losing is because they suck? Maybe then they realize they are bad at poker and quit playing online AND live? People who believe the sites are rigged aren't going to change their opinion and it is their right to have those opinions.....Either way, they probably aren't playing online anymore, regardless of what you "prove" to them......just not sure why you are zealous in your pursuit of this cause.
Your post is spot on about pretty much everything. Why should I care that these self-proclaimed good players think its rigged??? Its a good point and youre right, I shouldnt even care. The reasons I do care though is this :
First, Ive been around covers/wagerline for ages, longer than my reg date. I was "POWERPICKS" back on the old wagerline YEARS ago. The bottom line is if any of these sites were programming the hands itd have been exposed by now. I just hate to see people come on here and JUST COMPLETELY 100% MAKE SHIT UP about online poker, it just drives me nuts. The same way the "this game was fixed" guy drives me nuts on the football boards. Thats all personal reasons
The bigger reason is we (internet poker players) are all together in a big fight trying to make it 100% legal. The argument here is if its "game of skill" or not, which it CLEARLY is. However, we have all these novice excuse making poker players who are flat out MAKING SHIT UP about online poker making it look terrible. Then all the non poker players start believing all the LIES because they just consider it "gambling" and a "casino game" so how could it be anything but luck??? which is total bullshit. Then the masses of ignorant losing players start telling lie after lie, fairy tale after fairy tale, and the growing bad attitude towards online poker just grows and grows and grows, all on bullshit.
So basically the fight to make online poker legal is gonna be hard enough of a fight to win. Then when theres just countless FALSE accusations it hurts "the cause." People are so misinformed and are just so dead wrong about how online poker (and poker in general) for that matter that the common opinion of poker is that its just like blackjack and craps, which anyone who knows anything knows that laughable. But these rigtards will tell anyone who will listen its exactly the same. Plus they also dont understand that a site make money differently with poker as opposed to blackjack.
So all in all basically all the rigtards lies are hurting the chances of it ever becoming legal, thats my issue
Also, every single hand is tracked on all the major sites. Its all right there in the numbers, if something was "up" itd have been proven but it hasnt. But since some guys arent good enough to win online they wanna tear down the whole industry cuz hey "if they cant win it must be rigged"
But youre right, the rigtards will never change their mind. Theyre the same guys who thinks Bill Belicheck and Tom Brady are tanking playoff games when they lose their patriot playoff bet.
THE FIX IS IN!!!!!!!
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But youre right, the rigtards will never change their mind. Theyre the same guys who thinks Bill Belicheck and Tom Brady are tanking playoff games when they lose their patriot playoff bet.
Your post is spot on about pretty much everything. Why should I care that these self-proclaimed good players think its rigged??? Its a good point and youre right, I shouldnt even care. The reasons I do care though is this :
First, Ive been around covers/wagerline for ages, longer than my reg date. I was "POWERPICKS" back on the old wagerline YEARS ago. The bottom line is if any of these sites were programming the hands itd have been exposed by now. I just hate to see people come on here and JUST COMPLETELY 100% MAKE SHIT UP about online poker, it just drives me nuts. The same way the "this game was fixed" guy drives me nuts on the football boards. Thats all personal reasons
The bigger reason is we (internet poker players) are all together in a big fight trying to make it 100% legal. The argument here is if its "game of skill" or not, which it CLEARLY is. However, we have all these novice excuse making poker players who are flat out MAKING SHIT UP about online poker making it look terrible. Then all the non poker players start believing all the LIES because they just consider it "gambling" and a "casino game" so how could it be anything but luck??? which is total bullshit. Then the masses of ignorant losing players start telling lie after lie, fairy tale after fairy tale, and the growing bad attitude towards online poker just grows and grows and grows, all on bullshit.
So basically the fight to make online poker legal is gonna be hard enough of a fight to win. Then when theres just countless FALSE accusations it hurts "the cause." People are so misinformed and are just so dead wrong about how online poker (and poker in general) for that matter that the common opinion of poker is that its just like blackjack and craps, which anyone who knows anything knows that laughable. But these rigtards will tell anyone who will listen its exactly the same. Plus they also dont understand that a site make money differently with poker as opposed to blackjack.
So all in all basically all the rigtards lies are hurting the chances of it ever becoming legal, thats my issue
Also, every single hand is tracked on all the major sites. Its all right there in the numbers, if something was "up" itd have been proven but it hasnt. But since some guys arent good enough to win online they wanna tear down the whole industry cuz hey "if they cant win it must be rigged"
Fair enough.....although I think anyone reading/posting on covers.com already supports the cause to make online poker legal
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Quote Originally Posted by electricladylnd:
Your post is spot on about pretty much everything. Why should I care that these self-proclaimed good players think its rigged??? Its a good point and youre right, I shouldnt even care. The reasons I do care though is this :
First, Ive been around covers/wagerline for ages, longer than my reg date. I was "POWERPICKS" back on the old wagerline YEARS ago. The bottom line is if any of these sites were programming the hands itd have been exposed by now. I just hate to see people come on here and JUST COMPLETELY 100% MAKE SHIT UP about online poker, it just drives me nuts. The same way the "this game was fixed" guy drives me nuts on the football boards. Thats all personal reasons
The bigger reason is we (internet poker players) are all together in a big fight trying to make it 100% legal. The argument here is if its "game of skill" or not, which it CLEARLY is. However, we have all these novice excuse making poker players who are flat out MAKING SHIT UP about online poker making it look terrible. Then all the non poker players start believing all the LIES because they just consider it "gambling" and a "casino game" so how could it be anything but luck??? which is total bullshit. Then the masses of ignorant losing players start telling lie after lie, fairy tale after fairy tale, and the growing bad attitude towards online poker just grows and grows and grows, all on bullshit.
So basically the fight to make online poker legal is gonna be hard enough of a fight to win. Then when theres just countless FALSE accusations it hurts "the cause." People are so misinformed and are just so dead wrong about how online poker (and poker in general) for that matter that the common opinion of poker is that its just like blackjack and craps, which anyone who knows anything knows that laughable. But these rigtards will tell anyone who will listen its exactly the same. Plus they also dont understand that a site make money differently with poker as opposed to blackjack.
So all in all basically all the rigtards lies are hurting the chances of it ever becoming legal, thats my issue
Also, every single hand is tracked on all the major sites. Its all right there in the numbers, if something was "up" itd have been proven but it hasnt. But since some guys arent good enough to win online they wanna tear down the whole industry cuz hey "if they cant win it must be rigged"
Fair enough.....although I think anyone reading/posting on covers.com already supports the cause to make online poker legal
I agree. Why should I try and enlighten these losing players?
Keep blaming the sites and I'll keep winning guys.
Your legit I looked up your username on sharkscope,got my Full Tilt problem solved and was looking for you yesterday you were not logged and Chance either you missed out in taking my money pretty busy with work but if it rains on weekends I will look for you on Tilt.
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Quote Originally Posted by electricladylnd:
I agree. Why should I try and enlighten these losing players?
Keep blaming the sites and I'll keep winning guys.
Your legit I looked up your username on sharkscope,got my Full Tilt problem solved and was looking for you yesterday you were not logged and Chance either you missed out in taking my money pretty busy with work but if it rains on weekends I will look for you on Tilt.
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