Going to Vegas Hilton September 7th for 8 days. I have never stayed there, normally MGM. How is the Hilton, mainly going to live at the Sportsbook? Any info appreciated. Anyother Books close to Hilton as a variety during that time that I could walk to or short taxi that you can recommend. Anyother info greatly appreciated. Will be going for a week, once a month was wondering if it is possible to obtain comps. Know nothing about that. Appreciate feedback Vegas Gourmet and anybody else. Thanks again
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Going to Vegas Hilton September 7th for 8 days. I have never stayed there, normally MGM. How is the Hilton, mainly going to live at the Sportsbook? Any info appreciated. Anyother Books close to Hilton as a variety during that time that I could walk to or short taxi that you can recommend. Anyother info greatly appreciated. Will be going for a week, once a month was wondering if it is possible to obtain comps. Know nothing about that. Appreciate feedback Vegas Gourmet and anybody else. Thanks again
Hilton is ok , albeit just a bit long in the tooth--sportsbook is one of the best in the city with good numbers and a great viewing set-up,,there have been some probs reported with the monorail as far as possibly shutting down--IF the monorail is still running (I'm sure vegas gourmet has that info) you should be all set as nothing is really within walking distance of the hotel it self ,monorail is super quick, quite reasonable and can get you over to the back side of the strip (unloading behind the various giant casinos) in just a matter of minutes - enjoy your time,,I'll be right behind you the first of Oct.
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Hilton is ok , albeit just a bit long in the tooth--sportsbook is one of the best in the city with good numbers and a great viewing set-up,,there have been some probs reported with the monorail as far as possibly shutting down--IF the monorail is still running (I'm sure vegas gourmet has that info) you should be all set as nothing is really within walking distance of the hotel it self ,monorail is super quick, quite reasonable and can get you over to the back side of the strip (unloading behind the various giant casinos) in just a matter of minutes - enjoy your time,,I'll be right behind you the first of Oct.
The Las Vegas Hilton was great in 1991. ? Haha just kidding. ?Why are u locked into the Hilton?? ?The locals do love the sportsbook there though. ?
I would have to say if u are used to the MGM, u will be disapointed with the Hilton. ?The MGM is probably the best closest sportsbook to the Hilton. ?But if u want to try something different, go to the Palazzo and Lagasse's Stadium which is close by.
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The Las Vegas Hilton was great in 1991. ? Haha just kidding. ?Why are u locked into the Hilton?? ?The locals do love the sportsbook there though. ?
I would have to say if u are used to the MGM, u will be disapointed with the Hilton. ?The MGM is probably the best closest sportsbook to the Hilton. ?But if u want to try something different, go to the Palazzo and Lagasse's Stadium which is close by.
If you are going to the Hilton during football, you will be pleased to see that they do EVERY first half and second half of every football game. Pro and college(yes even the ridiculous conference and EXTRA ADDED games).
They offer first inning props on baseball also if interested.
As far as comps go, not even close as they are the best in the city. Every $220 bet in sports equals $1 in comps, and its $3 for every $100 on horses. No sportsbook even comes close.
You can also drink for free all day as long as you have a betting ticket. The tellers don't give out drink tickets, so as long as you have a betting ticket you can sit and drink all day......
Hilton is by far the best book in Vegas still. It's not even close.
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I live here in Vegas and here is what I think:
If you are going to the Hilton during football, you will be pleased to see that they do EVERY first half and second half of every football game. Pro and college(yes even the ridiculous conference and EXTRA ADDED games).
They offer first inning props on baseball also if interested.
As far as comps go, not even close as they are the best in the city. Every $220 bet in sports equals $1 in comps, and its $3 for every $100 on horses. No sportsbook even comes close.
You can also drink for free all day as long as you have a betting ticket. The tellers don't give out drink tickets, so as long as you have a betting ticket you can sit and drink all day......
Hilton is by far the best book in Vegas still. It's not even close.
If you are going to the Hilton during football, you will be pleased to see that they do EVERY first half and second half of every football game. Pro and college(yes even the ridiculous conference and EXTRA ADDED games).
They offer first inning props on baseball also if interested.
As far as comps go, not even close as they are the best in the city. Every $220 bet in sports equals $1 in comps, and its $3 for every $100 on horses. No sportsbook even comes close.
You can also drink for free all day as long as you have a betting ticket. The tellers don't give out drink tickets, so as long as you have a betting ticket you can sit and drink all day......
Hilton is by far the best book in Vegas still. It's not even close.
Thanks Sharpstick, I appreciate it. How do you like it there? I am in South FL thinking about moving there possibly.
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Quote Originally Posted by sharpstick:
I live here in Vegas and here is what I think:
If you are going to the Hilton during football, you will be pleased to see that they do EVERY first half and second half of every football game. Pro and college(yes even the ridiculous conference and EXTRA ADDED games).
They offer first inning props on baseball also if interested.
As far as comps go, not even close as they are the best in the city. Every $220 bet in sports equals $1 in comps, and its $3 for every $100 on horses. No sportsbook even comes close.
You can also drink for free all day as long as you have a betting ticket. The tellers don't give out drink tickets, so as long as you have a betting ticket you can sit and drink all day......
Hilton is by far the best book in Vegas still. It's not even close.
Thanks Sharpstick, I appreciate it. How do you like it there? I am in South FL thinking about moving there possibly.
Jay Kornegay runs a great book as far as props and lines on games that others (MGM properties, for one) will not take.....there are a number of books in this town that will NOT take teasers on pre-season football...weird. The Hilton has always been a leader with their action....
As to comps.....If you bet the ponies and can average putting $1000 in action each day, most racebook directors will get you at least 3.5% back in comps....easily can be rounded off to 4%. Palms does up to 7% on some big weekends and others will give you up to 5% on exotic race bets...exactas, trifectas, etc. Sports comps are VERY VERY different....they are almost always an "under the table" comp due to corporate policies. A $220 bet is a useless number...telling me that you have to bet $1100 for $5 is only something that the locals (non-runners) would care about.
If you are a strong multi-dime bettor, and are known to the sportsbook (meaning that you have been there before and give them your business)...you can expect good treatment. The more "dimes"..the better the treatment. Using Sharp's formula...you have to put through $110,000 in action to get a decent (not great) steak dinner.....I sincerely doubt that anyone in this forum does that on a vacation.
Fish, to address your last question. If you are not someone who can bet at least 3-5dimes on a sports wager...and multiple times with the same book in a very short period of time, you are not going to get much consideration (comps)...they will respect your action and do what they can for you...especially the local books (not Stations).....The horse bettors who can put through a dime a day are revered and courted by the books. I am not saying lose at the horses...just the action. Remember, this is not the casinos money...they get 15 cents on every dollar that you wager, they LOVE race bettors that win...and keep betting. Sports is a different breed altogether.
In short..the food's great, the weather is wonderful, and the people (on the whole) really care. Find a local spot that you like (The South Point could be a good example), give them your business, become a regular.....and this is a great place to live.
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Agree and disagree (again) with Sharp....
Jay Kornegay runs a great book as far as props and lines on games that others (MGM properties, for one) will not take.....there are a number of books in this town that will NOT take teasers on pre-season football...weird. The Hilton has always been a leader with their action....
As to comps.....If you bet the ponies and can average putting $1000 in action each day, most racebook directors will get you at least 3.5% back in comps....easily can be rounded off to 4%. Palms does up to 7% on some big weekends and others will give you up to 5% on exotic race bets...exactas, trifectas, etc. Sports comps are VERY VERY different....they are almost always an "under the table" comp due to corporate policies. A $220 bet is a useless number...telling me that you have to bet $1100 for $5 is only something that the locals (non-runners) would care about.
If you are a strong multi-dime bettor, and are known to the sportsbook (meaning that you have been there before and give them your business)...you can expect good treatment. The more "dimes"..the better the treatment. Using Sharp's formula...you have to put through $110,000 in action to get a decent (not great) steak dinner.....I sincerely doubt that anyone in this forum does that on a vacation.
Fish, to address your last question. If you are not someone who can bet at least 3-5dimes on a sports wager...and multiple times with the same book in a very short period of time, you are not going to get much consideration (comps)...they will respect your action and do what they can for you...especially the local books (not Stations).....The horse bettors who can put through a dime a day are revered and courted by the books. I am not saying lose at the horses...just the action. Remember, this is not the casinos money...they get 15 cents on every dollar that you wager, they LOVE race bettors that win...and keep betting. Sports is a different breed altogether.
In short..the food's great, the weather is wonderful, and the people (on the whole) really care. Find a local spot that you like (The South Point could be a good example), give them your business, become a regular.....and this is a great place to live.
Going to Vegas Hilton September 7th for 8 days. I have never stayed there, normally MGM. How is the Hilton, mainly going to live at the Sportsbook? Any info appreciated. Anyother Books close to Hilton as a variety during that time that I could walk to or short taxi that you can recommend. Anyother info greatly appreciated. Will be going for a week, once a month was wondering if it is possible to obtain comps. Know nothing about that. Appreciate feedback Vegas Gourmet and anybody else. Thanks again
I go and stay at the LVH EVERY Month for a week to 10 days. All I bet is the Super Book. Hit me up if you want. I know EVERYONE there. From all the floor managers, the finance manager, etc. If you have not booked your room yet let me know. Will help in anyway I can. I will be there from Wednesday September the 8th until Thursday the 16th. Let me know.....
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Quote Originally Posted by fishsticks:
Going to Vegas Hilton September 7th for 8 days. I have never stayed there, normally MGM. How is the Hilton, mainly going to live at the Sportsbook? Any info appreciated. Anyother Books close to Hilton as a variety during that time that I could walk to or short taxi that you can recommend. Anyother info greatly appreciated. Will be going for a week, once a month was wondering if it is possible to obtain comps. Know nothing about that. Appreciate feedback Vegas Gourmet and anybody else. Thanks again
I go and stay at the LVH EVERY Month for a week to 10 days. All I bet is the Super Book. Hit me up if you want. I know EVERYONE there. From all the floor managers, the finance manager, etc. If you have not booked your room yet let me know. Will help in anyway I can. I will be there from Wednesday September the 8th until Thursday the 16th. Let me know.....
I go and stay at the LVH EVERY Month for a week to 10 days. All I bet is the Super Book. Hit me up if you want. I know EVERYONE there. From all the floor managers, the finance manager, etc. If you have not booked your room yet let me know. Will help in anyway I can. I will be there from Wednesday September the 8th until Thursday the 16th. Let me know.....
I got a friend request from you and approved it, but I can't seem to pm you. Appreciate your getting back to me. We will be there same time at Hilton. What part of Fl are you from. I am in Lauderdale.
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Quote Originally Posted by rekamyenoM:
I go and stay at the LVH EVERY Month for a week to 10 days. All I bet is the Super Book. Hit me up if you want. I know EVERYONE there. From all the floor managers, the finance manager, etc. If you have not booked your room yet let me know. Will help in anyway I can. I will be there from Wednesday September the 8th until Thursday the 16th. Let me know.....
I got a friend request from you and approved it, but I can't seem to pm you. Appreciate your getting back to me. We will be there same time at Hilton. What part of Fl are you from. I am in Lauderdale.
I got a friend request from you and approved it, but I can't seem to pm you. Appreciate your getting back to me. We will be there same time at Hilton. What part of Fl are you from. I am in Lauderdale.
Just PM'd You............
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Quote Originally Posted by fishsticks:
I got a friend request from you and approved it, but I can't seem to pm you. Appreciate your getting back to me. We will be there same time at Hilton. What part of Fl are you from. I am in Lauderdale.
I have worked in 4 different sportsbooks, and currently still work in one. Under the table comps don't happen unless you know a sports supervisor. Any book you go to will go in and check your balance, if you have enough points you get it, if not you don't. This happens at the Wynn, Hilton, Eastside Cannery and Venetian. I have worked for all 4. If you don't know the supervisor you don't get anything special.
Not sure what "my formula" is, but that is how the Hilton does it. Every $220 bet, is $1 in comp. I know Vegasgourmet knows everything, but he's well off base here.
Race players are also treated much better. Again Vegasgourmet was oddly enough wrong, the Vegas contract is 19% for most tracks. So there is much more leeway on the race side because there is no liability.
A trick I see work all the time is play your sports money like normal, and if you have $5 extra, play it on a race. Do this as much as possible to make it show up as on the sports side you have $X comps and also on the race side you have $X comps. It makes you appear much more valuable to the book.
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I have worked in 4 different sportsbooks, and currently still work in one. Under the table comps don't happen unless you know a sports supervisor. Any book you go to will go in and check your balance, if you have enough points you get it, if not you don't. This happens at the Wynn, Hilton, Eastside Cannery and Venetian. I have worked for all 4. If you don't know the supervisor you don't get anything special.
Not sure what "my formula" is, but that is how the Hilton does it. Every $220 bet, is $1 in comp. I know Vegasgourmet knows everything, but he's well off base here.
Race players are also treated much better. Again Vegasgourmet was oddly enough wrong, the Vegas contract is 19% for most tracks. So there is much more leeway on the race side because there is no liability.
A trick I see work all the time is play your sports money like normal, and if you have $5 extra, play it on a race. Do this as much as possible to make it show up as on the sports side you have $X comps and also on the race side you have $X comps. It makes you appear much more valuable to the book.
Sharp...not trying to be a problem here...sorry if it came off that way...those of us in the industry have enough problems and don't have to argue with each other.
I did use your "formula" for the sports comp analogy...$1100 for $5 in comps....and said that was why sports comping was a useless topic.,...unless, as you correctly said...to paraphrase..."you know someone". Which was my point about being "known" to the sportsbook. I have been part of bets in excess of $50K the bettor received zilch. I have been part of multiple $5-10K bets from a regular, he got dinners, theatre tickets, rooms....
As to the percentage take on race tracks....sorry, again, if I was wrong...I did believe that the Magna contract was lower than 19%. But, regardless, the point that I was making was that race betting is a "turnkey operation" and always pure profit to the casino...as in contrast to the sportsbook side of the business. 99% of all those who come to Vegas looking to bet sports (and get bennies) do not understand/know this.....and, to make matters worse, the Players Club marketing people don't want the bettors to know this either. They come up to the sports window with their card looking to add "points"...as though they were playing the slots. The casinos don't really care about educating the bettors.
Once again, sorry for how you interpreted my posting.
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Sharp...not trying to be a problem here...sorry if it came off that way...those of us in the industry have enough problems and don't have to argue with each other.
I did use your "formula" for the sports comp analogy...$1100 for $5 in comps....and said that was why sports comping was a useless topic.,...unless, as you correctly said...to paraphrase..."you know someone". Which was my point about being "known" to the sportsbook. I have been part of bets in excess of $50K the bettor received zilch. I have been part of multiple $5-10K bets from a regular, he got dinners, theatre tickets, rooms....
As to the percentage take on race tracks....sorry, again, if I was wrong...I did believe that the Magna contract was lower than 19%. But, regardless, the point that I was making was that race betting is a "turnkey operation" and always pure profit to the casino...as in contrast to the sportsbook side of the business. 99% of all those who come to Vegas looking to bet sports (and get bennies) do not understand/know this.....and, to make matters worse, the Players Club marketing people don't want the bettors to know this either. They come up to the sports window with their card looking to add "points"...as though they were playing the slots. The casinos don't really care about educating the bettors.
Once again, sorry for how you interpreted my posting.
have lived in Las Vegas for 20 year and have never found a sportsbook overall better than the Hilton esp since Jay Kornegay came over from the Imperial Palace which was "hockey central" when Ralph Engalstad was still alive.
I know that NHL hockey is "small action" at most books BUT the Hilton is the only one with a 10 cent hockey moneyline and usually has the highes "dog odds" on any given day.
can't really speak to comps because I'm not a "high roller" BUT I give then enough action during football and hockey season for free buffet, which are EXCELLENT esp on fridays. I think it's a hell of a lot better value than most of the overpriced "name" buffets on the strip.
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have lived in Las Vegas for 20 year and have never found a sportsbook overall better than the Hilton esp since Jay Kornegay came over from the Imperial Palace which was "hockey central" when Ralph Engalstad was still alive.
I know that NHL hockey is "small action" at most books BUT the Hilton is the only one with a 10 cent hockey moneyline and usually has the highes "dog odds" on any given day.
can't really speak to comps because I'm not a "high roller" BUT I give then enough action during football and hockey season for free buffet, which are EXCELLENT esp on fridays. I think it's a hell of a lot better value than most of the overpriced "name" buffets on the strip.
Vegas Gourmet, your opinion always valued and likewise LeRinkRat, I also love hockey, any sport to be truthful. Hawk will advise you when I return. Thanks again everyone for your feedback. BOL
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Vegas Gourmet, your opinion always valued and likewise LeRinkRat, I also love hockey, any sport to be truthful. Hawk will advise you when I return. Thanks again everyone for your feedback. BOL
Yes...and if you are into horse racing.....they feed all the races into your hotel room and provide you with a phone account so you can bet the ponies.....and, while naked, in your bed, with someone you found at the casino bar, drinking champagne!!!!!!!
Well.....at least the first part of that was accurate....lol
Rink....Perfect posting. Jay Kornegay is the best "marketer" of the sportsbook in this town. He knows what the customer wants and is not afraid to post a line to give the customer some action. The NUMBER ONE sportsbook in Las Vegas.
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Fish....
Yes...and if you are into horse racing.....they feed all the races into your hotel room and provide you with a phone account so you can bet the ponies.....and, while naked, in your bed, with someone you found at the casino bar, drinking champagne!!!!!!!
Well.....at least the first part of that was accurate....lol
Rink....Perfect posting. Jay Kornegay is the best "marketer" of the sportsbook in this town. He knows what the customer wants and is not afraid to post a line to give the customer some action. The NUMBER ONE sportsbook in Las Vegas.
being a local, my only complaint about the Hilton is that they don't have phone or computer accounts. I used to have a computer account at Stations BUT they discontinued the "dial-up" feature a couple years ago.
AND, with the possable exception of LeRoys, Stations NHL odds are the WORST in town
I live south of the airport and it's kind of a pain in the ass to drive to the Hilton just to book a bet (I'm old and lazy). closest sportsbooks for me are Green Valley Ranch (a Stations property) and South Point. South Point NHL odds are so-so BUT at least they do offer "puck lines" like the Hilton.
South Point gets HUGE crowds for NFL Sundays during the season IF your into loafing with a bunch of screaming drunks.
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being a local, my only complaint about the Hilton is that they don't have phone or computer accounts. I used to have a computer account at Stations BUT they discontinued the "dial-up" feature a couple years ago.
AND, with the possable exception of LeRoys, Stations NHL odds are the WORST in town
I live south of the airport and it's kind of a pain in the ass to drive to the Hilton just to book a bet (I'm old and lazy). closest sportsbooks for me are Green Valley Ranch (a Stations property) and South Point. South Point NHL odds are so-so BUT at least they do offer "puck lines" like the Hilton.
South Point gets HUGE crowds for NFL Sundays during the season IF your into loafing with a bunch of screaming drunks.
Stations just added phone accounts for the horse players. I had a computer account also; but didn't like the lack of options on betting as well as, originally, no horses.
Perhaps, you can do the phone account for sports now that they have added the ponies.
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Rink....
Stations just added phone accounts for the horse players. I had a computer account also; but didn't like the lack of options on betting as well as, originally, no horses.
Perhaps, you can do the phone account for sports now that they have added the ponies.
Perhaps, you can do the phone account for sports now that they have added the ponies.
really not much of a horse player. I haven't been to the strip in years BUT I know Mirage corporation used to have phone accounts years ago because I had one at the Treasure Island which was a Mirage property back then. might check MGM-Mirage spotsbooks or the Wynn.
I really can't understand WHY Resorts International management, who owns the Hilton, is so opposed to phone or computer accounts esp in this economy. seems like ANY cash flow would be a plus for ANY Nevada casino.
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Perhaps, you can do the phone account for sports now that they have added the ponies.
really not much of a horse player. I haven't been to the strip in years BUT I know Mirage corporation used to have phone accounts years ago because I had one at the Treasure Island which was a Mirage property back then. might check MGM-Mirage spotsbooks or the Wynn.
I really can't understand WHY Resorts International management, who owns the Hilton, is so opposed to phone or computer accounts esp in this economy. seems like ANY cash flow would be a plus for ANY Nevada casino.
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